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Author: kelly smith
     Subject: groom's cake
     Date: Wed Feb 4 17:59:08 1998

     Message:
     what is the purpose of a groom's cake? Is it on a separate table? How is it usually decorated? Is it always
     chocolate cake and chocolate icing? Is it served with the regular wedding cake?
     These are alot of questions, I know but I'm just curious.   Thanks in advance.    Please Email me: Cakegoddes

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: groom's cakes
     Date: Wed Feb 4 19:19:28 1998

     Message:

     I'm sure others can add to what I can tell you, but here's what I know. Groom's cakes are more of a Southern   tradition in this country, but I'm not sure where the practice originated. The only purpose I can think of is to have   something less feminine to represent the groom, although I think of the wedding cake as representing the couple, it   is sometimes called the bride's cake. It may also be used to provide additional servings and/or flavors. The    groom's cake is usually smaller than the wedding cake, often chocolate, but not necessarily. I understand it is    becoming very popular in some places to top them with chocolate-dipped strawberries. It may be decorated to    coordinate with the wedding cake, or to represent the groom's occupation, hobby, sports, etc. I think the old    tradition of single girls sleeping with a piece of the wedding cake under their pillows to dream of their future    husbands had to do with the groom's cake, too. In the Wilton books they sometimes show groom's cakes that    coordinate with the wedding cake.

Author: Kathy M
     Subject: Grooms Caketoo
     Date: Thu Feb 5 00:16:58 1998

     Message:
     Kelly, my granddaughter got married this past October. For the Grooms's Cake, she wanted boxed individual    cakes    (chocolate with rolled buttercream icing, this is kind of an ivory color). I baked sheet cakes and sliced them in   individual serving. I then crumb-coated them with regular buttercream and froze them. The day before the    wedding I took them out of the freezer to thaw and applied the rolled buttercream, then finished them up by   adding their initals in navy blue and attached borders. We then wrapped each of them in wedding wrapping paper   and attached navy blue ribbons to them. They were then stacked alternating in a simi-circle. This allows the guests   to take the grooms cake home to enjoy later. It actually took longer to make the grooms cakes that the entire  wedding cake, which was 5 or 6 tiers.

Author: Earlene
     Subject: Grooms cakes
     Date: Thu Feb 5 11:46:05 1998

     Message:
     Grooms cakes are a southern/southeastern tradition. I think it is part of our southern heritage in trying to please     people. I do a grooms cake with almost every brides cake. Sometimes they are just good eating chocolate cakes     in one to many tiers. Sometimes they are armadillos, tabasco bottles, hamburgers and etc. The groom requests     these special construction cakes. I even had one in December to look like a villa in Italy. When you offer the     couples both cakes you normally sell more cake, work more hours but you do make more money also. Time is     the factor.

Author: Jane
     Subject: Pricing
     Date: Thu Feb 5 19:16:40 1998

     Message:
     How do you price your Groom's cakes? The same as the Bride's? By the serving?

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Groom's cake info
     Date: Thu Feb 5 15:23:18 1998

     Message:
     A groom's cake is a present from the bride to the groom. It's a tradition that is about 150 years old and it's a very     Southern thing. It is usually an alternative flavor to the Bridal cake and it's usually decorated with something to     depict the groom--a hobby, job, etc.. It was customary for unmarried women at the wedding to take this bit of     cake home and slip it under their pillow to forsee their future husbands. This is all I'm able to tell you at this time,     but as Earlne ( the queen of groom's cake) can tell you it is added work, but it's work that can show case your     talents also. A simple design for a groom's cake would be a set of intertwined rings, made out of chocolate cake     and were they meet, a nice arrangement of flowers. ANother one would be his intials, artfully decorated. See, you     don't need to be stumped by this request!--by the way check out Earlenes site for some GREAT CAKES!!!!

Author: kelly smith
     Subject: one more question about the groom's cake
     Date: Fri Feb 6 09:13:10 1998

     Message:
     Do you put the groom's cake on it's own separate table or with the bride's cake? IS it usually tiered also or does it    vary. OK that was 2 questions Sorry.      Thanks for your help. I really like this message board it is very educational.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Groom's Cake
     Date: Fri Feb 6 09:59:39 1998

     Message:

     Yes, Kelly, I cater weddings where I fix a separate Groom's table when I have a groom's cake ordered and when    I am doing the whole reception. If they are doing it on their own, then sometimes, they don't have that separate   table.
     But I have a round cardtable that I take along when I cater and I skirt it and all to match the Bride's table. The    only other thing I have on his table is a candlelabra, cake knives, and the plates. The groom's cake varies -    sometimes, it is only a sheet type cake with his hobby or interest on it - usually a chocolate, but not always and    usually with chocolate icing. Recently, I did a 4-tier square groom's cake (all chocolate/chocolate icing) with    chocolate dipped grapes cascading down the sides. Very elegant and everyone was impressed. Next I have a    12x18 sheet cake with an oval football shaped cake on top with the guy's favorite team emblem on it. Sometimes,    they only want them in case they need extra servings, but in the case of the 4-tiered, they wanted everyone to    have a piece of each kind of cake. In my area, not everyone wants a groom's cake - maybe 1 out of 10.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: grooms cakes
     Date: Fri Feb 6 10:07:33 1998

     Message:

     Most grooms cakes I have seen are either a novelty shape, a single tier, or two stacked tiers. Of course it will   vary, depending upon the servings needed and the desired design. I think it would go on a different table than the    bridal cake. Hopefully someone who has done a lot of them can help you more, like Earlene. Did you check out   her website to see some of her unusual grooms cakes? There's a link to it from Dolores' main page.
 

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Grapes on Groom's Cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 04:00:16 1998
     Message:
     I'm happy to report that my Groom's cake last week which was all chocolate cake, iced in chocolate, and was to   have clusters of grapes all dipped in chocolate starting at the top of the 6" square tier and cascading down the   cake turned out wonderful. At first, when I did the trial run on the grapes, they seemed to clump together, so I   think the chocolate needed to be out of the refrigerator for awhile because the next morning, it seemed to work   great. I just cut the grapes apart leaving smaller clumps because I didn't want it to be so heavy that it would not   stay put. I decided to toothpick the grapes to the cake where need be and that worked fine and did not show. If   they did, I dabbed it with chocolate icing and they were very impressed. The lady returning equipment said she   was amazed no one had ever asked for that and that I should do it again as it was almost more popular than the   beautiful bridal cake which was all decorated with cascading flowers. Thanks to all of you that helped answer my   questions before I did it.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Grapes on Groom's Cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 18:05:22 1998
     Message:
     oh carolyn i'm sooo glad to hear it all went well.
     now, why don't you try doing something like that on a *bride's* cake in white choco??? wouldn't that be
     something? maybe mixed in with some flowers. or yet, the *famous* martha stewart had a 'grape arborh cake' in  her mag last yr. make your own version and you become *famous* :) :)   lynne

Author: Vicky
     Subject: Men In Black
     Date: Thu Feb 5 22:55:20 1998

     Message:

     Does anyone have any ideas for a Men In Black cake?    Any ideas very much appreciated. Thank you

Author: Susan
     Subject: MIB
     Date: Thu Feb 5 23:11:41 1998

     Message:

     I don't know how detailed you want to go, but I would do a space ship over head and 2 male figures standing    underneath the spaceship wearing dark sunglasses. As I said I don't know how detailed you want it to be but this    is what I would draw on the cake. You could also just do the initials MIB and draw dark sunglasses laying near    the initials. Good luck. I am sure some-one will come up with an idea.. Susan

Author: Vicky
     Subject: MIB
     Date: Fri Feb 6 00:10:44 1998

     Message:
     Thank you for the idea. I was thinking about something with the sunglasses and the intials but I like your idea with   the spaceship better. Thanks alot.     Vicky

Author: Sue
     Subject: MIB
     Date: Sat Feb 7 07:42:05 1998

     Message:

     They do make a Edible Image for Men in Black and also a cake kit topper. And we carry it at Sugarcraft.

Author: Robin
     Subject: petal dust
     Date: Thu Feb 5 14:34:32 1998

     Message:

     I would like to make buttercream roses that are very very subtly colored, much like some gumpaste roses look,    can you use petal dust on roses that have been somewhat air dried until they are stiffened??? or would the petal   dust intensify as the paste colors do?? I want very subtle colors.    any help would be appreciated     Thanks

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: RE:petal dust
     Date: Thu Feb 5 19:55:05 1998

     Message:

     Petal dust is a beautiful way to 'liven' up dried buttercream or royal icing flowers! Dust as you would with
     gumpaste to give them subtle highlights. It will not darken with time, as does paste colors. Have fun!
     Jackie

Author: Robin
     Subject: Thanks!!
     Date: Thu Feb 5 20:24:28 1998

     Message:

     Thanks!!
     I've never used petal dust before so I'm a bit scared. I'm wondering if I should use very soft brushes, such as   blush brushes rather than paint brushes. D you have any suggestions??     Robin

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: RE: petal dust
     Date: Fri Feb 6 14:43:20 1998

     Message:

     Yes, You should use soft brushes. A blush brush is fine for larger items, but a small soft sable paint brush is better    for smaller flowers-it will give you more control and definition when dusting. Dust the center of roses with a shade    darker than the color of the rose, or just dust the edges of the petals....either way you flowers will 'come alive'!!    You may want to experiment on some 'non-usable' flowers before you start your project. Have fun!!     Jackie

Author: Jennifer Thomassian
     Subject: "sugar work"roses
     Date: Thu Feb 5 14:24:42 1998

     Message:

     Hi,I'm new here. I am a novice cake decorator. I am attempting to teach myself a few new techniques. I saw a    wedding cake (in the Feb. '98 issue of Victoria mag.) with "sugar work" roses. They were stunning! How can I   learn to make these? Thank you everyone!

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: "sugar work"roses
     Date: Thu Feb 5 23:10:02 1998

     Message:

     hi jennifer; i have not seen the mag but i think what you are refereing to are gum paste flowers. you say you are a   novice decorator. gum paste work is considered advanced work. don't let that stop you if you get the chance to   learn it. personally i could not learn from a book until after i had taken basic classes. that goes for gumpaste work.
     problem with teaching yourself from a book is there is noone to help you when something does not turn out right.   what did you do wrong? how do you correct it. some people just have a nack for figuring out those things. i had    to be shown :)     lynne

Author: Jennifer T.
     Subject: roses
     Date: Fri Feb 6 18:27:31 1998

     Message:

     Thanks Lynne. The magazine just said "sugar work", but it is apparently gum paste. I would love to have someone   show me how, but there is no one. I have lived in a city my whole life, and have just recently moved to a (very)   small town of only 3,OOO people! So, you see I have to teach myself. I taught myself to knit and I will do this.   Somehow! Thanks for the help! Jennifer

Author: Jennifer T.
     Subject: roses
     Date: Fri Feb 6 18:42:04 1998

     Message:

     Hi Jeff. Thanks for the email. I will check it out. The magazine said "sugar work", but that is apparently not what    it's called! I can bake like a champ, but I need help with making flowers. I have previously used fresh (a la Martha    Stewart), but I recently saw a Sylvia Weinstock cake and was in shock by its beauty! My grandmother baked    wedding cakes professionally. I am a dressmaker and am teaching myself most of what I need to know in the    cake decorating dept.
     Thanks again for your advice, I will call her up. While I'm here, do you have a recipe for raspberry buttercream   you would be willing to share? THANK YOU!!! Jennifer

Author: Jeff    Subject: Do you want a Meringue-type or Powdeered Sugar-type buttercr
     Date: Sat Feb 7 01:39:28 1998

Author: Jeff
     Subject: Here's a recipe to try!
     Date: Sat Feb 7 01:50:10 1998

     Message:
     Go to the following URL. It contains a recipe for Raspberry Buttercream from Chocolatier Magazine.
     http://www2.godiva.com/recipes/recipes/chocolatier/birthday/
     raspberry.html
     [yes, the word recipes apprears TWO TIMES in the URL]
     If you need a powdered sugar type, let me know.      Jeff

Author: Nicole
     Subject: Getting started (???)
     Date: Thu Feb 5 13:45:13 1998

     Message:

     I've been decorating cakes for about 6 months now. I get great compliments, and really enjoy my time in the    kitchen. My husband is encouraging me to try selling some from home. I would be so happy doing this for a living    (and getting out of corporate America!)
     I'm a super-cautious person, and the liability in the beginning is scaring me a bit. I can't get a liscence in our county    unless I have a separate kitchen, no liscense means no insurance. And we don't have the kind of cash right now   required to get my own separate kitchen.
     How did others get their start? Is under-the-table sales as dangerous as I've heard? Is it true I can't advertise if   I'm not liscensed? Do cakes really get confiscated from wedding receptions by the health dept.?
     Any and all advice would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance! :)     Nicole

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Getting Started???
     Date: Thu Feb 5 19:51:01 1998

     Message:

     I think the key to this may be your location - city, country, very rural, whatever. Most of us got our start doing it    from our homes. I still do it from my home - have a kitchen built in my basement along with my bridal shop. That    way, I don't have to go out to work, don't have walk in traffic, don't do donuts, etc. so I am not a bakery, per se.
     I live in the country and each city, county, state has different laws and some enforce them more than others. I have    friends in the city who do cakes big time for big bucks and big clients and have no license. The best business is    word of mouth rather than advertising anyway, I think. You sound like you may be in a city because of saying    you'd like to get out of "corporate America". Just call around and see what you can find out about your city laws.
     You don't have to give out your name in case you decide that isn't the way you want to go. In my area, there are    many cake decorators doing it from home and I would say most of them are not licensed. I have never heard of a    cake being confiscated around here, but I guess it could happen just as copying the copyrighted stuff and getting    caught can happen. Advertising usually causes more than just customers to take notice of what you are    advertising. I think to start with, if I were you, I would stay with my day job and do cakes for friends, family and    co-workers and then if you love it, you can decide how far you want to go with it. Sometimes, people get into it   and get burned out real fast. I love my cake business, but never had a desire for a bakery because I didn't want to   do all the other things connected with a bakery. Good luck with whatever you decide. Feel free to e-mail me with   any questions you might have.
Author: Jennifer T.
     Subject: question about "getting started"
     Date: Fri Feb 6 19:06:08 1998

     Message:

     HI Carolyn, I too am "getting started" in a little cake decorating, but my biggest love of all (next to my husband) is   dressmaking. You mentioned you had a bridal shop and I have been thinking about this non-stop for a long time.
     If you wouldn't mind, could you tell me a little about what you do? It would be a big help. My email is
     JRIsom@aol.com      I will be out of town for a few days, but please respond. Thanks so much! Jennifer T.

Author: Judy
     Subject: Getting Started
     Date: Fri Feb 6 15:51:29 1998

     Message:

     I live in Illinois and I have done cakes for 6 years out of my rural home and I am seriously considering starting my   own business. It has always been a dream of mine to have my own business and the area I am in is a small   community. I have already checked with the Health Dept about getting a license and talked with our Insurance   person, what else do I need to do to get started?   Thanks for your advise in advance, Judy

Author: Joanna
     Subject: GETTING STARTED
     Date: Thu Feb 5 20:30:13 1998

     Message:

     I have the same concerns as Nicole, as I would like to advertise and sell wedding cakes out of my home until I    can afford to meet health code requirements. I never heard of confiscating a cake from a reception, though. That    would surely be the demise of a business, and its a scary thought. I hope someone can answer Nicoles questions,    I'm very interested to know how everyone else got there start without being branded illegal. Thanks!

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: getting started
     Date: Fri Feb 6 00:09:43 1998

     Message:

     I, too, am a very cautious person living in an area where it is impossible to have a legal home business
     (food-based, anyway). I put off doing cakes for money for a long time because of this. However, after I started   asking around I found that most people doing cakes from home are not licensed and rarely have any problems.
     I've never heard of cakes being confiscated. The health department is too underpaid and understaffed to worry   with us, unless someone forces the issue. That someone is usually a licensed bakery that doesn't like the   competition or a nasty neighbor. That's why you don't advertise. Even if you're fully licensed, advertising really   doesn't bring in that much business. Word-of-mouth is best. It's a little slow, but that gives you time to practice   your skills, pace, and organization. I started selling my cakes about 4 months ago, just by word of mouth. I   haven't had a lot of orders yet, but I'm getting there. I think the best thing to do is to start slowly and quietly, give it    6 months, then re-eveluate and decide whether to continue as you are for a while longer, give it up, or pursue    establishing a licensed business. Some tips I've heard to avoid getting turned in: don't advertise, don't undercut the    bakeries too much, don't bad-mouth the other bakeries, don't allow business traffic to be too obvious or    disturbing to your neighbors. Good Luck!

Author: Terry
     Subject: Getting Started
     Date: Sun Feb 8 19:56:35 1998

     Message:

     I was in your shoes for approx. 2 years then i went ahead and opened up a full line bakery in town last
     September.
     When I worked out of my home I had no problem with the
     Health Dept. They did require licence but they never contacted me. I did not advertise at all but used word of   mouth and also made wedding cakes for a caterer in town.
     (I was able to work under his licence if anyone asked).
     I moved it out of my home to town because it had gotten to large for my kitchen (20-30 cakes per week plus a   wedding). I would say keep on like you are doing. I was told the worst that could happen is the Health Dept.    would come in and tell me noy to make any more cakes. I think alot of it will depend on how many other fullty   licensed bakeries there are in your town and how much of competition you put up with your product. In my case,   there has not been a bakery in this town for over 20 years (population 9,500).

Author: kathi
     Subject: BAKERY ICING
     Date: Thu Feb 5 13:24:32 1998

     Message:

     i have been trying to duplicat the icing on bakery cakes foreve, i know they have crisco, but am not sure of the   amount, etc, also does anyone have the icing for the browines they sell at bakeries, and while i am being a pest, if   there are any bakery owners out there, i would love the recipe for the fudgie brownies they sell at the bakery.   thanks guys

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: BAKERY ICING    Date: Thu Feb 5 23:21:01 1998

     Message:

     hi kathi; there are sooooo many different recipes it is hard to say just what one you may be looking for. btw: most  of us are trying *not* to taste like bakery icing :)
     many bakeries buy their icing already made in huge buckets by wholesalers. you might not be able to dup such   icing -- that is unless you want to make 50 to 100 # at a time :)
     if you go to the homepage on this board and scroll down you will see dolores has a page of recipes. have fun! lynne

Author: Patty D
     Subject: re: wedding cake price
     Date: Wed Feb 4 20:58:53 1998

     Message:

     Jeff, Would you mind telling us what part of the country you come from? That was the most helpful information on  pricing for me yet. Thanks.

Author: Jeff
     Subject: Attn: Patty D.
     Date: Wed Feb 4 22:05:53 1998

     Message:
     I'm from a town near Lexington, Kentucky, in the county of Magoffin.

Author: Kathy
     Subject: beginning books, esp. for children
     Date: Wed Feb 4 20:17:56 1998

     Message:
     I'm a cake decorating project leader for 4-H children. Our council doesn't provide any teaching material. I'm   trying to find a good, step-by-step book for teaching beginners.     Does anyone have any suggestions?

Author: Kathy M.
     Subject: Book for Beginners
     Date: Thu Feb 5 00:21:22 1998

     Message:
     Kathy, Wilton has a good beginners book, it's called Cake Decorating 1-2-3. It's also inexpensive.

Author: kelly smith
     Subject: recipe request
     Date: Wed Feb 4 17:33:38 1998

     Message:
     if any one has a recipe for a buttercream that won't break down for an outdoor wedding let me know please . I     heard when you use butter it get very soft in the heat is that true?
     Also I would like a recipe for a buttercream that is not sickening sweet . The one in the Wilton book is too sweet.      One more request....does anyone know how to make a true cassada cake? You know with the rum brushed on     the cake layers?      Any recipes will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.      Email me : Cakegoddes

Author: Susan
     Subject: Recipe
     Date: Wed Feb 4 20:04:25 1998

     Message:
     If you have no aversion to crisco here is one recipe that won't break down in 100 degree heat( the reason I know   is because I made a cake this summer for an out door party in 100 degree heat and it held up beautifully)
     1¼ C. crisco 2tsp. vanilla
     ½ C. water 2tsp. butter flavor
     1tsp. salt 2lbs. Powder sugar
     2tbsp flour***

     *** For a less sweet frosting.
     Make sure you desolve salt in water first or you might get spots in your colored icing. The flour cuts down the   sweetness. This recipe is of a medium consistancy just add or decrease water to recipe for your preference.
     Good luck. I am sure other people will give you more recipes but I am telling you this one stands up to heat!! And   tastes delicious. Susan

Author: Marie
     Subject: recipe
     Date: Wed Feb 4 23:58:02 1998

     Message:
     Thanks for posting this Susan. Will any flour do or would cake flour be best?     Marie

Author: Susan
     Subject: Recipe
     Date: Thu Feb 5 11:45:06 1998

     Message:
     I use regular flour. Good luck!     Susan

Author: lynne
     Subject: icing recipe+
     Date: Wed Feb 4 21:58:13 1998

     Message:
     hi kelly. have you gone to dolores' board for recipes? she has several for you to try.
     also, if you scroll down the page and click on the button 'next page' you can go back to when the board originated   and fine all the recipes that have already posted. there are lots for everyone to try.    lynne

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Cassata alla siciliana
     Date: Thu Feb 5 14:42:49 1998

     Message:
     I hope this is what you are looking for:
     You need to start with 1, 12" (double recipe) Pan di spagna, baked and cooled.--(see recipe)
     RUM SYRUP: 3/4 cup water, 3/4 cup sugar, 4 tablespoons white rum.
     CREMA DI RICOTTA( cannolli filling): 4 pounds ricotta, 3 cups confectioners sugar, 2 teaspoons vanilla extract,    1/2 tsp cinnamon, 3 tablespoons white rum, 4 oz. semisweet chocolate, finely chopped, then sifted(to get rid of    the powder), 3/4 cup diced citron or candied orange peel.(see recipe)
     APRICOT GLAZE:1 1/2 cups apricot preserves, 3 tablespoons water.
     PASTA REAL: 12 oz. almond paste(traditionaly made with pistachio paste),3 cups confectioners sugar, 5
     tablespoons light corn syrup, green food color, cornstarch for rolling.
     DECORATING:Red candied cherries, candied citron, 1 oz. semisweet chocolate, 1/2 tsp oil.
     For the rum syrup, bring the water and sugar to a boil in a small saucepan, stirring occasionally, cool and add the    rum.
     For the crema di ricotta, press the ricotta through a fine sieve or strainer into a mixing bowl. Sift the confectionary    sugar over it and beat it in. a heavy mixer fitted with the whip. Continue beating the ricotta and sugar untill it's very    light. Beat in the vanilla, cinnamon and rum, then stir in the chocolate and candied fruit. Cover the bowl with    plastic wrap and set aside.
     Butter a 12" spring form , depending on the size of the Pane di Spagna layer, and line it with plastic wrap. Cut 2    thin, horizontal slices from the pan di spagna , using a long, sharp, serrated knife. (This is easier when the cake is    chilled). Cut the remaining cake into 1/2" vertical slices.( in other words, 2 thin layers,and the rest into strips.
     Place one of the layers in the bottom of the springform pan and moisten it lightly with the rum syrup, using a brush.
     Use the vertical slices to line the side of the pan and moisten them from the inside. Pour the filling into the lined pan   and smooth the top with a spatula. Moisten the other round layer lightly and invert it onto the filling. Press gently   with the palm of the hand to adhere the layer to the filling and cover the pan with plastic wrap. Refrigerate cake to   make the filling firm. Reserve any remaining syrup for finishing cassata.
     While the cassata is chilling. prepare the apricot glaze.
     For the pasta reale: cut the almond past ito 1" cubes and place in the bowl of a mixer fitted with the paddle or in a   food processor with metal blades. Add sugar, corn syrup and mix on low until it masses aound the paddle. (in    food processor pulse 10 X). The mix will be crumbly. Add a drop of green food color and knead smooth .Shape    it into a sausage and wrap in plastic, set aside, room temp.
     Unmold the cake, remove the plastic from top of the pan and place a cake board on pan. turn out cake onto    cardboard and unclip the ring, lift carefully, peel off cling film. Brush the remaining rum syrup on the cassata.
     Brush with apricot glaze.
     Unwrap the Pasta reale, knead it smooth and into a 5" disk. proceed to use like rolled fondant.
     To decorate, melt the chocolate, use a small paper cone filled with the chocolate to pipe series of overlapping arcs   at the top border . Cut citron into thin strips and make a geometric design in center of cake.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Pan Di Spagna(used to make cassata)
     Date: Thu Feb 5 14:54:08 1998

     Message:

     In italy potato starch would be more common, but the corn starch give identical results.
     4 large eggs-separated, 3/4 cup granulated sugar-divided, 1 teaspoon vanilla extract, 1 pinch salt, 1/2 cup
     unbleached all purp. flour, 1/2 cup corn starch.
     In med. bowl, whisk the yolks with the vanilla extract. Whisk in half the sugar and continue to beat until very light    and frothy, about 5 min.( ribbon stage)
     Combine the flour and cornstarch and sift once.
     In a clean dry bowl , beat the egg whites with the salt UNTILL THEY HOLD A VERY SOFT PEAK. Beating    faster, add teh remaining sugar in a very slow stream, beating egg whites til they hold a firm peak.
     Fold the yolks into the whites, Sift the flour and cornstarch mix over the eggs, in 3 additions, folding them in gently    . DO NOT OVERMIX batter.

     Pour the batter into a buttered and paper lined 9" or 10" round 2" deep . Bake at 350 degrees, until well risen and    shrinks a little from the side--about 30-40 m.
     Immediately lossen the layer from the side of teh pan with a small knife or spatula. Invert the layer and leave the    paper stuck to it. Turn the layer right side up and cool on a rack.
     Double wrap the layer in plastic and keep in fridge for up to 5 days , or freeze it.
     VARIATIONS:
     Flavor the batter with grated orange or lemon zest or a tablespoon of Anisette.
     For the cassata you need to double this recipe!

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: Does Anybody Have...
     Date: Wed Feb 4 17:17:08 1998

     Message:
     a recipe for the Crisoless Buttercream that seems to be the subject of debate? Being new to decorating, I have    not yet experienced anything but the frosting with the Crisco and would like to try it. I trust it is used in the same  manner as the recipe with the shortening (or am I wrong?)

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: icing recipes
     Date: Wed Feb 4 19:30:05 1998

     Message:
     Charlotte,
     Scroll down a bit, Mara posted a few recipes that she uses for true buttercream, using eggs, butter, and sugar.     You can also use butter instead of crisco in the decorating frosting you're using now; it will be ivory instead of     white, and much softer (keep it chilled). Also, in some of the older wilton books there is a recipe for     "Extra-Special Buttercream" that uses butter and cream. I don't remember if that's cooked at all or whether or not     it has eggs, but I can look it up and post it if you want. "The Cake Bible" by Rose Beranbaum has all the     traditional recipes for icings that contain butter and eggs.

Author: Nancy
     Subject: Give us that "Extra Special Buttercream" recipe PLEASE!!!
     Date: Wed Feb 4 19:37:52 1998

     Message:
     If you have the time, I'd really like to have the Wilton "EXTRA SPECIAL BUTTERCREAM" recipe you speak    of. Thanks in advance.     Nancy

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: recipes
     Date: Wed Feb 4 23:34:52 1998

     Message:
     Actually, I was getting two recipes mixed up, so I'll post them both. I've never tried either, so this is not a
     recommendation! I just remembered seeing them and that they were different from any of the recipes mentioned   recently.

     French Buttercream

     2/3 C sugar
     1/4 C flour
     1/4 t salt
     3/4 C milk
     1 C butter, cold, cut up
     1 t vanilla, or clear vanilla flavor

     Place sugar, flour, and salt in sauce pan and mix thoroughly; stir in milk. Cook over medium heat and stir
     constantly until very thick. Remove from heat and pour into medium mixing bowl. Cool at room temp. Add 1/2 C    butter at a time and beat at med-hi speed until smooth. Add vanila and beat well. Chill for several minutes, then    use. Yields 2 cups. Iced cake must be refigerated. This is said to taste like vanilla ice cream.
     (Wilton yearbook)

     Extra Special Buttercream

     1 C butter
     1 C crisco
     2 lb powdered sugar
     1/2 t salt
     1-2 t flavoring(s)
     6-8 oz whipping cream

     Cream butter and crisco until fluffy. Add sugar and continue creaming until well-blended. Add salt, flavoring(s),    and cream; blend on low speed until moistened. Beat on high speed until fluffy. Yields 6-7 cups.     (Wilton Course 3)

Author: Carolyn B.
     Subject: recipes
     Date: Thu Feb 5 13:15:49 1998

     Message:
     Both of Jennifer's recipes are great. I use the whipped cream buttercream alot. It is very easy to decorate with. It    will be an ivory color rather than stark white. The French Buttercream is what I always called "Moms White     Icing". It is absolutely delicious but extremely soft and can be hard to decorate with. When using this recipe, I     frost and do borders with it but do flowers, etc. in "regular buttercream. You can also use 1/2 crisco and 1/2     butter - still delicious - but a little more stable.

Author: Kristy
     Subject: Wedding Cake price
     Date: Wed Feb 4 15:20:05 1998

     Message:
     Can anybody help me price a Wedding Cake? The cake is on the Bridal Cakes (Wilton Book) on page 54. the    name of the cake is Woven Together As One. I don't have any idea how much to charge for a cake like this...    Thank you for all the help.     Kristy

Author: Jeff Arnett
     Subject: This is my price scheme
     Date: Wed Feb 4 16:53:27 1998

     Message:
     This is how I price my wedding cakes. Also remember you must include any special items that you might have to    buy for the cake, the cost of separators [I add to my price...nothing is returned to me] or other incidentals, such as    unique/unusual fillings, flavoring, etc.

     BASIC BUTTERCREAM FROSTED CAKE with top/bottom borders and  a side trim. Ready for the bride/florist to add fresh or  silk flowers.....................$ 2.50 per serving

     BASIC BUTTERCREAM FROSTED CAKE as above but with PIPED FLOWERS..........................$ 3.25
     per serving

     BASIC BASKETWEAVE TRIMMED CAKE
     without flowers.....$3.00 per serving
     with piped flowers..$3.50 per serving

     BUTTERCREAM CAKE with GUMPASTE FLOWERS....$ 6.00 to $10.00
     depending on type and number of flowers

     BUTTERCREAM CAKE with PRESSED FONDANT LACE and GUMPASTE FLOWERS..............$ 8.00
     to 12.00 per serving depending on the number of lace pieces and flowers

     I hope this helps. I didn;t have the Wilton Book handy so I do not know what the cake you speak of looks like.   Just make sure that, after it is done, your profit was worth the time and talent YOU invested!
     Jeff Arnett

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: prices
     Date: Wed Feb 4 23:49:37 1998

     Message:
     Wow, Jeff, when I first read your list I thought you must be in the area where I am now, around Washington, DC.     Those are typical prices here. I was really surprised to read in your later post that you're in Kentucky, that's     where I'm from originally. I grew up in Murray, and my mom lives in Frankfort now. I would never have dreamed     people there would pay that much. Lexington must have more wealthy people than I realized, and they must be     throwing more extravagant weddings than they used to. I only paid $100 for my 4-tiered wedding cake with     buttercream roses, though that was 10 years ago. Good for you, though!

Author: Carolyn B.
     Subject: Wedding cake prices
     Date: Wed Feb 4 17:44:17 1998

     Message:
     Kristy - you need to probably stay in line with the other cake decorators in your area. Here in the Northern   Virginia   area - a cake like the one you are considering would begin at about 2.25 - 2.50 a serving for a basic cake with   filling. Depending upon the flavor we would charge more, ie; liquor, carrot, etc. Delivery would be extra. Some  decorators charge a rental on the stand the cake is placed on. Hope this helps.

Author: Rita
     Subject: Re: Wedding Cake price
     Date: Wed Feb 4 18:03:11 1998

     Message:
     Kristy - You definitely need to check prices in your area. I would never be able to sell a cake for $1.50 plus per   serving. I don't live in a city or near a resort area. The cost of living here is low and my over head is much lower   than it would be in a busy shopping area. Take these things into consideration before pricing your cakes. I am able   to buy ingredients much cheaper here in the rural area of Missouri than when I price them in St. Louis or other  larger cities. Good Luck and ENJOY.

Author: lynne
     Subject: pricing
     Date: Wed Feb 4 22:17:05 1998

     Message:
     i don't have to book handy so i don't know what it looks like. the prices jeff mentioned are *much* too high for     my area. i'm in central calif and it's a struggle to get $1.25 for the basic buttercream that jeff mentined getting     $2.50 for.
     you do have to stay close to what others in your area are charging. are there local bakeries? call them and pretend     you have a daughter getting married soon and see what their basic charges are. not everyone charges per slice.
     around here, delivery is included. until i opened my shop i didnot charge 'rent' on my fountain. just be sure to get a     deposit enough to replace the fountain should it not be returned or broken. returned ok, refund the deposit. just be     sure you don't spend that money:) i also charge a seperate deposit on the pillars/plates. it also is refundable when   everything is returned w/in 5 days after their affair.
     hope this info helps. lynne
     p.s. scroll to the end of this pg and click on the botton 'next page'. you can go all the way back to when this board   started. lots of info of all kinds for everyone to read.

Author: Cheri
     Subject: castle-shaped bday cake
     Date: Wed Feb 4 11:06:00 1998

     Message:
     I am looking for information on how to make a castle-shaped birthday cake for my son. I've been told by many   people to check out the Wilson books. The problem with that, is that when I've gone to our local bookstores,   they do not carry Wilton books. I've tried craft stores, and they have 2 books. One is how to make flowers, and   the other is how to frost a cake! I am having a terrible time trying to figure this one out. I even called a bakery and   asked how much it would cost for a small castle cake.....only $150.00! I don't think I can spend that amount on a   5 year-olds party! Can anybody help?  Thanks, Cheri (Kdwtchr@aol.com)

Author: Susan
     Subject: Castle cake
     Date: Wed Feb 4 13:41:16 1998

     Message:

     Cheri
     In the Wilton 1996 yearbook they have a castle birthday cake. I had it but I sent it to some-one on this board.   Some-one else might have it on here also. If not then go to sugarcraft they may have it.

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: Castle Cake
     Date: Wed Feb 4 17:06:43 1998

     Message:
     I have directions for a castle cake from a Betty Crocker Cookbook for Boys and Girls that I got 20 years ago. It    had the simplest of decorations - something like a Hershey Bar for a draw bridge and those little pastel after    dinner mints for windows. Of course, you can decorate it however you choose - the book does provide how to    cut the cake to make the castle. If you'd like me to send you a copy out of the cookbook, let me know and I'll be    glad to either send it or fax it.     Charlotte (CHitner@FWENC.com)

Author: Jeannine
     Subject: banana cake
     Date: Wed Feb 4 08:15:13 1998

     Message:
     Does anyone have a recipe to turn a white or yellow cake mix into a banana cake? Thanks.

Author: Jan
     Subject: Banana Cake
     Date: Wed Feb 4 09:59:42 1998

     Message:
     I'm at work so am unable to get you the number (on the box) for Duncan Hines. The number you call is a
     recording. If you call them and tell them you are unable to purchase their banana cake mix, they'll give you the    recipe to use the yellow cake mix. Let me know if you can't get through and I'll respond from home (where I have   the recipe).

Author: Carolyn B.
     Subject: Banana Cake
     Date: Wed Feb 4 11:20:31 1998

     Message:
   If you are unable to purchase banana cake mix - try using yellow cake mix and add: l box banana pudding - 4   eggs - 1/2 cup oil - 1 cup water - banana and vanilla flavoring - 1-2 soft bananas! Should be great! Good luck!

Author: Jan
     Subject: Banana Cake
     Date: Mon Feb 9 20:37:19 1998

     Message:
     Hi Jeanine,     Sorry I didn't get back with you sooner but my computer crashed.

     The recipe using a DH yellow cake mix is as follows:
     1 Yellow DH cake mix
     3/4 c water
     1 c bananas, mashed
     1 T oil
     Mix same as any cake mix and bake. Just make sure you test it for doneness.
     Hope this helps you out.

Author: Kelly
     Subject: Has anyone ever made one of those large, round, decorated pa
     Date: Tue Feb 3 19:41:39 1998

     Message:
    Hi, I was wondering if anyone has made one of those big pan cookies you can get at the local mall or grocery   store. Do you make them in a pan with high edges, or just use a pizza pan. Do you use the basic Toll House   cookie recipe, or must their be modifications made. Also, what type of decorative frosting works best with one of   these large cookies? Any info. would be greatly appreciated!

Author: Lisa M.A.
     Subject: Re: Has anyone ever made one of those large, round, decorate
     Date: Tue Feb 3 21:05:21 1998

     Message:
     I have had quite good success with these things by using a regular 10" or 12" round pizza pan. I use the basic    choc. chip cookie recipe (although, I always substitute crisco for the butter). Put about 1/2 of the dough in the    pan, covering the bottom of the pan sufficiently, yet not putting too much extra or it won't bake evenly. Also, I    grease my pan with crisco and line it with wax paper cut to fit the bottom of the pan. This makes for easy release.
     I'm not sure exactly how long I bake it, but I take it out when it starts to get golden...don't wait too long, or it will   get too hard. I flip it out of the pan IMMEDIATELY after I take it out of the oven. Let it cool (right side up) and   decorate with regular buttercream icing. A really cute idea is to get a pizza box to fit the cookie and put it in there   if you are going to give it as a gift...a local pizza place should be glad to sell or maybe even give you one! Hope  this helps!!    Lisa

Author: lynne
     Subject: big cookies
     Date: Tue Feb 3 23:21:46 1998

     Message:
     hi kelly; i have done as many as like 75 of these for valentine's day in the past.
     i have a recipe for making a dry mix ahead or i use cake mix for the cookie dough! they are great if eaten right   away. personally i think they become *very dry* after that. from one mix you can get 3 10" heart cookies. they   are about 1" thick when baked. for this size it takes about 20 minutes to bake. i decorate them w/buttercream. if   you make wilton's class buttercream it will harden enough as not to smash when handled. i make lots of g.p.   decorations -- animals; bells; angels; etc. etc. for decorating. over the years i have collected hundreds of 'love   sayings' to put on them. i sell each one for $5. also have made bigger ones: 12" and 15"hearts. sometimes make  rounds or other shapes.
     lightly grease your pan, then pat the dough into the pan for baking. couldn't be easier.    lynne

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: Corn Syrup as a Glaze
     Date: Tue Feb 3 10:45:20 1998

     Message:
   I'm interested in learning experiences using corn syrup to add a sheen to rolled fondant. I'm planning to make a   cake for Valentine's Day that looks like a box of chocolates. I plan on using rolled fondant and I would like the   bottom "box" to have a nice sheen. How long after the fondant is placed on the cake would I have to wait before   adding the corn syrup? Do you just brush on a layer at a time or is the job done with the first layer? Do I even use  a brush? Thanks for the guidance.

Author: Renee V
     Subject: Re: Corn syrup glaze
     Date: Wed Feb 4 08:55:06 1998

     Message:
    I don't know about a corn syrup glaze but I do know that chocolate clay and/or Rolled Buttercream remains   shiny, so if you use these, you may not need to glaze your "chocolate box"
     Also, I just remembered, Rose Levy Birnbaum has a confectionary glaze made from corn syrup in her book "The   Cake Bible". It is in the recipe for the cake on the cover with the red roses. She coats these roses with a glaze.     Hope this helps. Renee

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Mara's Recipes(textbook)
     Date: Tue Feb 3 09:53:55 1998

     Message:
     SWISS MERINGUE:
     1/2 pint of egg white, pinch of salt(optional), 1 pound sugar.
     Combine egg whites, salt and sugar in mixing bowl. Place over simmering water. Heat, stiring with wisk untill egg   whites are hot and all the sugar is dissolved. Remove from the heat to mixer. Beat with whip on second speed till  cold.
     TO MAKE BUTTERCREAM:
     butter, softened. As little as the weight of sugar or up to twice that.
     After meringue is whipped cold, add the softened butter, a little at a time, continue beating till smooth. Flavor to   taste , it will accept up to 2 oz of flavoring.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Mara's adaptation to textbook recipe
     Date: Tue Feb 3 10:14:18 1998

     Message:
     Here goes:
     cube about 2 to 3 pounds of sweet butter and soften in microwave.
     place 1 1/2 cups of egg white ( 1 cup = 6 jumbo egg whites--so you would need 9 jumbo eggs for this recipe)    with 1 1/2 pound of sugar in metal mixing bowl, whisk to dissolve most of the sugar and place over simmering    water. Whisk , every now and again, to prevent the egg from cooking.Lift the whisk out of the syrup and try    pinching some of the run off syrup between your fingers, there should be no trace of graininess from the sugar. --
     All the sugar must be dissolved.-- (This brings the temp of the syrup to about 120 degreess or more. This is the    temp. that bath water would be to prevent 3rd. degree burns on your skin!)( so it would be sanitary).
     Remove bowl from the heat to mixer, beat with whip untill cold. To test for this , you must place the inside of your    wrist to the metal bowl untill you can leave it there about a minute, then the meringue is cold enough to add the    butter a little at a time. (This is when I change the whip for the paddle so I don't incorporate too much air into my    icing.)-- You must make sure the meringue is not too hot or too cold--too hot and you get a melted mess, to cold,    you will get butter blobs in the icing--( this is why I soften the butter in microwave first!)--     Beat untill smooth. Sometimes it may look curdled, just keep on beating-it will smooth out---you can add up to 2    oz. of flavoring---(less for an intense flavor like RUM or more for a mild flavor like Chambord.)I just put 2 large    capfulls of vanilla extract into it.
     This recipe is very forgiving--sometimes I don't measure my eggs exactly to the mark, more or less and If I would   like a stiffer icing I will add the larger amount of butter. This Recipe can be doubled , and will cover a 3 teir   wedding cake you can pipe your borders and do most flowers with it. I make my flowers ahead of time with any   extra colors I have, throw them in the freezer and have them on hand to decorate.
     This icing is not white, but my customers don't mind.     I will post other recipes.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: storage
     Date: Tue Feb 3 13:00:29 1998

     Message:
     Mara,
     How do you store these icings, and the cakes they are iced with? Since they contain eggs and butter, wouldn't    they have to be refrigerated until serving time? I would also be concerned about Salmonella, since the egg whites    are not really cooked. This is why I'm more comfortable with (gasp) crisco decorating icing; it will practically   never go bad and never needs refrigeration. Thanks for sharing your recipes!

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Re: storage
     Date: Tue Feb 3 20:05:14 1998

     Message:

     Dear Jennifer and friends:

     you may leave your iced and decorated cake out in a cool place. I have left my decorated cakes on my counters,   ready for delivery the next day. But I have left the airconditioner on overnight. In the winter I don't have to worry.
     If you read the recipes , you will see that you will be cooking the eggs with the sugar, in one recipe the syrup must    reach a temperature of 235 degrees F. and the other recipe will bring the temperature of the syrup to about 120  to 140 degrees F. I don't know about you but when I put my hands in 120 degree water, I get  BURNED!--(ouch)--and you must whisk the eggs and sugar in that recipe or you will have scrambled egg whites.
     If you start out with fresh, uncracked eggs, you will be O.K.- ( when in doubt, you can rinse your eggs and wash   off the shells)-you can also use frozen egg whites. If you keep these cakes in the cooler too long they get as hard   as a stick of butter, just don't leave them out too long.--use your judgment.
     To store, I make my icing and put it in a big bucket, put in fridge and eighter leave it out overnight to use the next   morning-( leave out in a cool place) or make a new batch and nuke the cold batch and mix together.
     By the way, don't fear!!! I will be posting my CRISCO recipes also, like I said, I'm no icing snob--I use whatever  the customer likes!----
     I will post a HIGH HUMIDITY CRISCO ICING, amongst them.     Mara

Author: MaryD Olz
     Subject: safe egg whites
     Date: Wed Feb 4 23:43:36 1998

     Message:
     I have not tried your recipes, but I did use the Mousseline Buttercream recipe from Berenbaum's THE CAKE   BIBLE. I used dried egg whites found in a local gourmet shop. Very easy to use, economical, and I never worried  about Salmonella.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Another recipe
     Date: Tue Feb 3 10:38:13 1998

     Message:
     Italian Butter cream:( I made a mistake--with the names , the other recipe is the one I was talking about on the   board)
     4 oz water, 12 oz sugar, 1/8 tsp cream of tartar(optional)

     Pour water into small saucepan and add sugar. Stir to combine well with a wooden spoon. With a new pastry   brush dipped in cold water, rinse away all the sugar crystals clinging to the sides of the pan. Place the pan over   low heat, stirring frequently to dissolve all the sugar crystals. Continue to rinse the sides of the pan with the brush,   to remove any sugar that might stick. Dissolve the cream of tartar in 1 teaspoon water and add it to the sugar at   the boiling point. Cease stirring, skim sugar if necessary. Continue to wash th sides of the pan with the brush while   the sugar cooks.

     1/2 pint of egg whites in mixing bowl, 4 oz sugar.
     When sugar syrup comes to a boil, begin beating egg whites. Beat whites with a whip on second speed untill white   and opaque. Continue beating, adding the sugar in 4 additions, of 1 oz. each. When the sugar syrup reaches 235   degrees( the mix should just about be turning yellowish brown)--increase the mixing speed to third. At 248   degrees add sugar syrup to the beaten whites in a slow stream, carefull of the beaters. Decrease the speed to the  second and beat until cold.

     Italian meringue buttercream:
     sweet butter, softened, as little as the weigh of sugar in meringue (4 oz) or twice that--(8 oz.)
     After the mering is whipped cold, add the butter a little at a time, continue beating with whip on second speed ntill  all the butter is incorporated. Increase speed to third and beat until smooth.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Creme Englaise Buttercream
     Date: Tue Feb 3 10:46:43 1998

     Message:
     This recipe will be given to make 3 different quantities:

     Milk: 1 quart, 1 pint, 1/2 pint,
     Cream: 1 quart, 1 pint, 1/2 pint,
     sugar: 16 oz. 8 oz. 4 oz.
     yolks: 24, 12, 6,

     1. Combine milk, cream and sugar in saucepan over medium heat, bring to a boil.
     2. Beat yolks to combine by hand, beat 1/3 of the boiling liquid into the yolks, return milk / cream mix to a boil   and beat in yolk mixture. Beat 30 seconds untill thichened. Remove from heat, strain into a second bowl.Cool

     Cream Anglaise buttercream:
     cream anglaise in equal parts by volume,
     butter: ( e.g. 1 pint cream anglaise: 1 pound butter)

     Beat the butter with paddle on first speed till soft. Beat in the cooled but not cold cream anglaise.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Flavorings for a pound of my buttercreams
     Date: Tue Feb 3 10:53:26 1998

     Message:
    To flavor these butter creams to use as filling here goes:
     Mocca: 2 tablespoons of instant espresso powder dissolved in 1 tablespoon of liqueur. Beat in slowly.
     Citrus: 2 oz. of strained citrus juice. beat in slowly
     Liqueurs: Up to 2 oz. of liqueurs. beat in slowly
     Pralinee: 6 oz. praline paste. Beat in

     I will be posting more recipes if you'd like. Please feel free to experiment with these and let me know how it turns  out. I will be posting some of MY favorite CRISCO icing recipes also!     Good luck,      Mara

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Ganache
     Date: Tue Feb 3 11:04:14 1998

     Message:
     Ordinary ganache: is fairly liquid and used mostly to glaze cakes and other desserts. is equal parts of chocolate  and cream.
     Rich ganache: used as icing and filling, is 1 1/2 parts chocolate to 1 part cream.
     Truffle ganache: used to make candies--2 parts chocolate to 1 part cream.

     ordinary ganache; 1 pound semisweet chocolate, 1 pint cream: Cut chocolate finely. Bring cream to a boil over   medium heat. Remove from heat. Add chocolate, allow to stand for 5 minutes. Whisk smooth. strain into a clean   dry bowl. Cool to room temp and use for glazing cakes or pastries.

     Rich ganache: 1 1/2 pound semisweet chocolate, 1 pint cream: Cut chocolate finely, bring cream to a boil over   med ium heat. Add chocolate. allow to stand 5 minutes. Whisk smooth, strain into clean dry bowl.Cool to room   temp. or quickly over cold water. Once the ganache has set, beat with a paddle on medium speed to lighten.

     Ganache Beurre:
     1/2 pound butter
     1 1/2 pounds Rich ganache
     Beat butter with paddle on medium speed untill very soft and light. Scrape bowl and paddle very clean. Add   cooled and set rich ganache all at once. Beat on medium speed about 1 minute, untill evenly mixed , lightened and  smooth.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: HIGH HUMIDITY ICING(with crisco!)
     Date: Thu Feb 5 08:17:02 1998

     Message:
    Here it is: Yield, about 6 cups.

 1 1/2 c. white vegetable shortening
2 heaping tbsp. dry powdered dream whip
1/4 c. all purpose flour
1 tsp.   powdered Van-O-Van(or powdered vanilla)
1 tsp. clear vanilla
1/2 tsp. lemon flavoring
2 lbs. confectionary  powdered sugar
1/2 c. cold water.

     Cream shortening with electric mixer at low speed. Add dream whip and flour and mix untill well blended. Blend   Van-o-Van, vanilla and lemon flavoring into the creamed mixture. Add 1/4 c. water and 1 lb. of the 10x sugar,  blend until moistened, then beat on 4th speed of electric mixer untill icing is smooth. Scrape sides and bottom of  bowl often. Add the remaining water and 10x sugar. Stir until moistened. Mix at 4th. speed untill icing is smooth  and fluffy. Add additional water, a few drops at a time, if a thinnner spreading incing consistency is desired. To  stiffen add more confectionary sugar.

     For a chocolate icing add:
     3/4 cup cocoa.

     Keep icing covered witha damp cloth untill ready to use. Refrigerate leftover icing in an airtight container, re-whip  before using.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Air drying icing(with crisco)
     Date: Thu Feb 5 08:25:24 1998

     Message:
     simple recipe, I make all my flowers with this, let dry 24 hours and I can pick them up (gently) with my hands!

     2 lbs. confectionary sugar--10x
     1/3 c. water(more or less)
     2 cups white vegetable shortening(any kind--even comercial)

     I usually cream the shortening with the water and then add the sugar, mix with the padle untill smooth and fluffy.
     YOu may want to scrape down the bowl about 1/2 way into the mixing. add water to get the consistency that is   right for you.
     I call this my NUCLEAR icing, since it's so sturdy, it doesn't need any refrigeration. I have had this icing in the  trunk of my car and have taken it from class to class and it still was usable.
     YOu can flavor this icing to your taste, with any oil, extracts you like---just measure into the water to make your  1/3 cup of liquid.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: French Buttercream
     Date: Thu Feb 5 15:04:05 1998

     Message:
     This icing tastes especially good on carrot cake and is not very greasy.

     1 quart milk, 1 3/4 cup butter(about 9oz. I think)---bring to just boil.     6 whole eggs, 1 3/4 cup granulated sugar( 9 oz. I think)--whip together.

     When the milk comes to a boil add 1 cup full to egg mix( slowly)---then whip---(hot to cold). Then pour whipped  mix into pot of milk , stir for 2 minutes. ( eggs into sugar).
     Strain into a big mixer and beat for 20 minutes.
     Add 6 1/4 pounds of butter , mix at low speed until smooth and white, then whip on high until fluffy.
     Enjoy!

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Cream Cheese Icing
     Date: Thu Feb 5 15:09:50 1998

     Message:
     1 pound crisco. 1 pound cream cheese. 1/2 pound sweet butter. 1/4 tablespoon lemon juice. 2 tablespoons
     vanilla extract. 5 pounds confectionary sugar.     Beat until smooth.

Author: Susanna
     Subject: Vodka?
     Date: Mon Feb 2 17:44:40 1998

     Message:
    I've seen references to the use of vodka in various places but never a recipe that uses it. What is it used for?    (Probably something to do with gum paste flowers? That is what I've been most interested in lately.) Is there a   substitute for its use where people want NO TRACE of alcohol in their food?

Author: Jeff Arnett
     Subject: use of vodka
     Date: Mon Feb 2 20:21:58 1998

     Message:
   Yes, your suspicion is correct. Vodka, or any pure grain type alcohol, is often used in gumpaste work. It is used   to dissolve powdered colors, air brush or even paste colors, primarily since these types of alcohols have little   water, they do not soften gumpaste. The alcohol evaporates quickly and should not leave an alcohol trace. Hope   this helps.     Jeff Arnett

Author: Julia
     Subject: Re: use of vodka
     Date: Wed Feb 4 00:57:02 1998

     Message:
     Jeff, what about taste? Does the vodka used to mix powdered colors on gumpaste, does the vodka leave an  unpleasant taste? Also, would results be as favorable, using flavorings, instead of vodka to mix the powdered colors? I'm thinking of lemon flavoring or clear vanilla flavoring.     Thanks!

Author: Sly
     Subject: lemon extract would work
     Date: Wed Feb 4 06:45:04 1998

     Message:
     McCormicks lemon extract is a good substitute if you don't wish to go to a liquor store for the vodka. Actually,    the lemon extract has a higher concentration of alcohol than vodka does. (And it smells so nice when you're using  it.)     It also will evaporate and not actually add "flavor" when it's used to apply powdered colors.

Author: Alice Meade
     Subject: Decorator's frosting containing cake flour
     Date: Mon Feb 2 16:59:06 1998

     Message:
     Recenly, I ate a decorated birthday cake and the person who made it said the frosting was made with powdered  sugar, crisco, water, vanilla and CAKE FLOUR. The frosting was delicious and I am wondering if anyone has  such a recipe.

Author: lynne
     Subject: cake mix in icing
     Date: Mon Feb 2 20:28:09 1998

     Message:
     hi alice; yes! if you sub about 1/3 c cake mix for that much powdered sugar there will be a great improvement in  the icing. it makes a great marriage :) lynne

Author: Alice
     Subject: Do you mean CAKE MIX or CAKE FLOUR?
     Date: Mon Feb 2 22:28:33 1998

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Do you mean CAKE MIX or CAKE FLOUR?
     Date: Mon Feb 2 23:25:49 1998

     Message:
     hi alice; i use cake *mix*. tho i have not heard of using cake flour before it may well just be a variation. rather than     *just* cake flour, if you are makeing a scratch cake, mix all the dry ingredients together before adding a bit (1/3    cup?) to your icing.

Author: Alice
     Subject: Could the leavening in the mix reacts with the liquid causin
     Date: Tue Feb 3 08:27:29 1998

Author: Sly
     Subject: cake flour in icing
     Date: Wed Feb 4 06:41:25 1998

     Message:
     When I have a customer who requests a "not-so-sweet" icing, I'll add cake flour to my buttercream (or
     crisco-cream)and then just whip it a little longer. I've never tried using past of the cake batter since I usually add   all sorts of things to it that I wouldn't normally want in my icing.

Author: Renee V
     Subject: Oops, I'm confused.
     Date: Wed Feb 4 09:05:07 1998

     Message:
     Lynne,
     Did you mean 1/3 cup of dry cake mix or of batter? I thought you meant the dry stuff. I was going to try this on  the weekend. Thanks.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Cake flour
     Date: Wed Feb 4 10:32:23 1998

     Message:
     I once used the flour (regular, I think - not cake flour which might be better) and it gave a gray cast to the icing   which I did not like. I do use cornstarch in mine all the time and this cuts the sweet taste and also gives it a  firmness. I use about 1/3 box of cornstarch to about a 15 lb. batch of icing (buttercream, is what I call it!)

Author: lynne
     Subject: cake mix in icing
     Date: Wed Feb 4 22:32:37 1998

     Message:
     renee; i am sorry i could not get back to you sooner. having 'puter problems --key board wouldn't work:(
    yes i did mean to add 1/3 c *dry* cake mix to your icing recipe. i replace that much powdered sugar.
     lynne

Author: Sly
     Subject: I meant the dry ingredients. [NT]
     Date: Thu Feb 5 07:04:04 1998

Author: Renee V
     Subject: Revisiting the Buttercream debate.
     Date: Mon Feb 2 15:49:47 1998

     Message:

     Hi All,
     I don't have access to the web on the weekends, so I have to catch up on the board during the week.
     Admittedly, this is my somewhat cynical opinion, but there are a lot of "buttercream snobs" out there who in a   BLIND taste test, would prefer good old 10x sugar, crisco/butter buttercream to a more fussy gourmet-sounding   swiss classic buttercream. Many people are so "Martha Stewartized" and are afraid of sounding naive, they would   never admit to enjoying something so ordinary as plain ol', good ol' buttercream. As though it is something to be   embarassed about!?!!? I don't mean to imply that other types of buttercreams and Icings aren't good and equally   delicious, but to be such a snob as to outrule something catagorically because it contains crisco is absurd! Crisco   is just vegetable fat and infact, MORE digestable than butter, as in any animal versus vegetable fat. Who came up   with the notion that crisco isn't digestable? It has been used in baking and cooking for years, not just cake   decorating.
     However, crisco does have a higher melting point than butter which accounts for a heavier or "greasier", if you   will, mouth-feel, but technically, is not greasier than butter. It doesn't melt easily at body temp, which is why it is   prefered for decorating. IT doesn't break down easily. I generally go the route of Jackie and use a cooked icing to   cover and do borders and decorate with a buttercream. Also good flavor for covering a cake is Earlene's cream   cheese buttercream. (And you can decorate with it, too and it doesn't need refridgerating) Or add a 1/2 pound of   melted chocolate, any flavor, to a standard 2lb 10x sugar buttercream recipe. When you add white chocolate ,   this really enhances your buttercream without changing the color or giving it a real "chocolatey" flavor.
     One last thought, cooked flour-paste icings tend to be less sweet and lighter textured, so when I have a customer   who wants a "whipped" or "whipped cream" icing, since I don't make it, I have them sample this and ususally they   like it.
     It is not the same thing, but generally they are satisfied.
    I know this was a long posting, but I just had to get that off my chest! Whoever said 1,000's of decorators can't   be wrong was right! Have your clients taste your various icings and let them decide ... not Martha.

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: Criscoless Recipe
     Date: Tue Feb 3 10:37:41 1998

     Message:
     This debate has me quite intrigued. Being a new hobbyist to cake decorating, I am used to using the Crisco recipe   and didn't even know you could make a buttercream without the shortening. Shows you what I know.
     I'd like to try it - if someone can provide the recipe (please) as well as provide some insight as to its uses - in  other words, can you do everything that you can with the other that uses shortening?

Author: Anonymous
     Subject: Re: Revisiting the Buttercream debate.
     Date: Mon Feb 2 21:35:55 1998

     Message:
    Dear Clueless one,
     1000's of decorators have no right comparing their preferences to chefs and thats what i thought this message   board was about, professional pastry chefs sharing ideas, not wanna be Betty Crocker's!!!
     I was wrong, it is about amatures who decorate cakes and who sacrifice flavor, quality and time all the while   charging tons of money for their crisco spiked icings.
     For your information, Crisco is not vegetable oil, it is partially hydrogenated Soybean and Cottonseed Oils and   anything partially hydrogenated IS NOT digestible by the human body (perhaps you are something other than    human)???
     Butter, on the other hand, is a natural product, produced by churning the milk of a cow. Animal fat comes from   the animals meat, not their milk. Butter does have a ingredient added though, Annato color, which IS ALSO a   natural product, it is color derived from vegetables and it is added to butter in the seasons when cows don't get   enough of the grasses to naturally color their milk.
     No one said that those icings which include Crisco, which my dear, are NOT BUTTERCREAM, (FYI Wilton  started that), taste bad and i do enjoy an occassional bite or two of one of those grocery store type icings, but i   for one would never compromise my standards or reputation using unnatural ingredients in ANY OF MY  PRODUCTS.
     I cannot read your mind or see your books so i cannot determine what kind of a price you get for a wedding  cake, but that is the bulk of my business and someone paying $4.00 to $8.00 a slice for a wedding cake deserves   more than Crisco!!!
     Children's cakes, on the other hand, are made for children in mind, who prefer a more sickening sweet type of   frosting and i think this type of cake is acceptable with a Crisco frosting (NOT BUTTERCREAM), should the  amature baker choose to go this route.
     Cakes from mixes are another story and i don't want to go there right now.
     My feelings exactly are this, any so called "baker" who comprimises quality using Crisco or pre-mixed cakes  should find another profession.     Jill

Author: Val
     Subject: Cake Mixes & Icing
     Date: Wed Feb 4 22:21:31 1998

     Message:
     I have used cake mixes for my cakes for years and all my customers love my cakes. I never felt inferior for using   them, until I read the previous posting. I also use a favorite recipe for frosting given to me by a dear friend who   has decorated for years. It uses Crisco and marshmallow creme. My customers adore the flavor of it and it does   not taste "sickening sweet" nor does it taste greasy. I am not getting into the Great Debate, just expressing my  opinion on the subject. And I do not feel I should get a different profession because of one womans opinion.

Author: jill
     Subject: Partially hydrogenated nutrition info
     Date: Tue Feb 3 00:53:16 1998

     Message:
     If you look up:

     http://www.solgar.com/nutrition-library/articles/enig1-interview.html
     you will find a long but very informative article on the subject of partially hydrogenated oils.
     I hope you find this informative.     Jill

Author: Gerard
     Subject: not pro
     Date: Fri Feb 6 14:58:33 1998

     Message:
     Jill, Just got back from vacation in England, I see theres no shortage of backbiting, backstabing and cat scartching.
     I thought thats what I was supposed to be accused of.
     How can this happen without me being present.!
     Joking aside, this isn't a pro site and you can't converse(critique) with semi and non pros without them taking it   personally. Its human nature, part of pro training is de-personalizing recipes.
     To a pro pastry chef buttercream has to be made with butter, you wouldn't be able to hold on to a job trying to   get crisco past anyone. I used to make cakes for the Gardner Museum in Boston, using a bit of sweetex shortning   to help transportation in the summer, they said it tasted like garbage, greasy garbage actually. I knew that already.    Try webfoodpros , no bitchin just pro's .     Gerard

Author: Joanna
     Subject: buttercream
     Date: Sat Feb 7 00:46:28 1998
     Message:
     Gerard, what is your recipe ( a small one) for buttercream? Thanks

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: butter
     Date: Tue Feb 3 00:15:26 1998
     Message:
     And to add, "Oh Clueless One", butter IS animal fat. Where do you think milk comes from, anyway? Last time I   checked it came from a cow, which is an animal. The milk fat may or may not be the same fat as is in the meat,   but animal fat it is!

Author: jill
     Subject: fats, clueless ones & crisco
     Date: Tue Feb 3 00:30:12 1998
     Message:
     Animal fats and milk fats are different even though they do come from the same source. You do have to kill the  source to get the animal fat, technically.
     Animal fats and milk fats are indeed digestible by us all.
     Partically hydrogenated fats are not.
     That is the point i was trying to make.
     I was trying to add a bit of humor to this group of people, however i did not succeed. I guess i did succeed in  offending you and i apologize.
     Your stand on this product is just as strong as mine and we all have the right to our own opinion.     Jill

Author: Shannon
     Subject: PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED FATS
     Date: Tue Feb 3 04:56:14 1998

     Message:

     Hi. I just wanted to make a comment about partially hydrogenated vegetable fats. Besides decorating cakes I   happen to have a degree in human nutrition. I just wanted to get a few things cleared up before you get everybody   on this board who uses Crisco scared to death and confused. I'll try to explain it in as simple terms as I can for   those of you who don't necessarily have a background in nutrition or chemistry. Naturally occuring partially   hydrogenated fatty acids (like those in butter) have a certain stucture or shape. Almost all of the naturally occuring   PHFA have this same shape (cis-fatty acids). When vegetable oils are hydrogenated (to make Crisco for   example) the fatty acids end up with a different structure/shape. They are called trans-fatty acids. 'Cis' and 'trans'
     BTW refers to the direction that the chemical structure bends. For the most part, vegetable oils that have been   hydrogenated are not thought to be absorbed by the human body. THIS DOES NOT MEAN, HOWEVER, that   these fats stay in your body unabsorbed. I was afraid some of you thought that. They pass through your body   undigested. The main concern medical researchers have about THIS fact is the possible build-up of trans-fatty   acids in the body OVER TIME. The main point I want to get across about THIS is that NO ONE, I HOPE, eats   enough 'crisco contaminated' icing for this to be of ANY concern to them. Consumption of trans-fatty acids, by   the normal person, on average, makes up a relitively small portion of their TOTAL fat intake. (Trans-fatty acids   from cake icing a smaller portion still). A better purpose would be served by telling people about sources of   PHFA a person would be likely to consume on a DAILY BASIS like margarine, peanut butter, and other   processed foods. To make this THIS one of the main reasons you put forth for not using Crisco in your icing is    illinformed and absurd. I don't mean this to sound rude but if you are so concerned about the 'health' of your    customers you need to find an alternative to butter also. It has OVER TWICE the amount of saturated fat per    serving than Crisco. (8g to Crisco's 3g). Dietary saturated fat is the main elevator of blood choleserol levels.
     (More so even than dietary cholesterol). Everyone is aware of how heart disease is one of the biggest health   problems in this country today. People have different reasons for doing things different ways. Besides, if ICING   intake were that big of a health problem/concern the public would be alot fatter and everyone on this message  board would be alot RICHER! :o) :o)     Shannon

Author: jill
     Subject: great information
     Date: Tue Feb 3 12:50:03 1998

     Message:
     Shannon,
     Thanks for the very informative and intelligent response. I am obviously not a nutritionist but have taken several   nutrition and food science courses when attending culinary school. I was familiar with the chemical changes which   occur when a product is hydrogenated (doesn't this mean that hydrogen has been added to cause the product to   become solid), and understood that our bodies cannot digest such products. Thanks for making it a bit more   clear. I do also understand that butter is not hydrogenated. It is a natural product. Crisco, on the other hand, is not   due to the hydrogenation process. Even though butter does have more fat than crisco, i still prefer a natural   product that goes through my body the way nature intended it to. And that is my preference. In moderation, like   you mentioned, any natural product, no matter how high in fat, is OK for most people. I do also make a   "buttercream" with soy margerine for those vegans out there who still want a sweet, non dairy alternative.     Thanks again for the imput.     Jill

Author: Shannon
     Subject: hydrogenation
     Date: Thu Feb 5 04:00:57 1998
     Message:
     I hope the following makes sense. :o) Butter and Crisco both are 'hydrogenated' in a sense. The difference
     between the two is that the extra hydrogen molecules in butter are already there.That is why butter, ALSO, is     solid and not liquid. When you hear of saturated fats what that is refering to is the degree to which a fatty acid is     holding all of the hydrogen it can hold. I'm not sure I read your post right or not, but, I almost got the impression     that you were thinking it was the HYDROGEN being added that was making Crisco 'unnatural'. ALL fats have     hydrogen in their structure. A molecule of hydrogen is the same wether it is in butter or Crisco. The only thing that     makes Crisco somewhat 'unnatural', like I was saying before, is the way the molecule bends. There are, however,     some types fatty acids that DO bend this way naturally (but very few). Researchers are STILL in the process of     trying to determine how significant this is in the human diet.
     This would have been a good research paper topic in college. Why couldn't I have thought of it back then? :o)     Shannon

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: hydrogenated oils
     Date: Tue Feb 3 06:41:30 1998
     Message:
     Thank you, Shannon, for refreshing my biochemistry. If I remember correctly, it has not been fully determined   whether partially hydrogenated oils are digested or not. And as you said, even if they aren't, that does not mean it   is harmful. "Fibre", for example, is cellulose, identical to starch except for one little chemical bond which makes it   undigestable, yet it is considered a necessary part of our diet. Actually, I kind of like the idea of Crisco not being  absorbed, if it's not absorbed then it can't make me fat, so I don't have to feel guilty about all that icing I eat! :)

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: hydrogenated oils
     Date: Tue Feb 3 13:15:21 1998
     Message:
     You're right Jennifer. The 'jury', so to speak, is still out on wether or not they are digested or not. Nutrition is one     of the relitively new sciences so new information becomes avalible every day. Scientists may come out tommorow     and change their whole story. With so many new products and health concerns rising so rapidly it's hard for     nutritional researchers to keep up. The fact that our society is so concerned about health issues (rightly so), forces     researchers to come out with what may not necessarily be the WHOLE story on a topic. Like I said, the jury is     still out on this one. :o)    Shannon

Author: lynne
     Subject: personal preferences
     Date: Mon Feb 2 23:41:46 1998
     Message:
     yes! this board is for *anyone!* who enjoys making a *beautiful* cake for another. some of us need help from   time to time -- coming up with an idea or needing another recipe that someone has requested - etc. etc.
     *this board was never ment to be for "professional pastry chefs" only*
     there is room in this world for *everyones* different tastes.
     jill do you like italian food? howabout the food eaten by 'bush people' in places like indonesia or bora-bora? i've     heard they love dog, monkey, and rattlesnake meat. someplace (china?) it is a *treat* to have *rats!*. now we     are talking personal choises:) compare that to this crisco/butter controversey.
     please give others the right to 'like' different kinds of food -- right down to crisco. name calling only hurst *you* in    the long run. if you don't like the company, don't visit.     lynne

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Butter vs. Crisco, THIS HAS GOT TO STOP !
     Date: Tue Feb 3 09:26:50 1998
     Message:
     Dear Friends,
     This has got to STOP and STOP NOW!!!--I don't come to this board to see "sugar artists" FLAME each other.
     I am a decorator that uses both , a classic butter cream and a crisco icing. THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE  FOR BOTH!!!!!Sometime I even combine the 2 mediums. (GASP!)-I will use my classic butter cream when a     classic, undestated look is in order, like a very elegant cake or wedding cake. I will use the crisco icing when the     client would like airbrushing, cartooning, bright colors or things that need to be built up with icing. I am lucky that I     can give my clients what THEY want!----I never have to turn away business, and I keep my clients happy. They     all know that I would not steer them wrong, and sometimes I get an order for 2 different types of cakes for the     same party--( HA!). The only way to break down these "icing snobs" is education!--the knowing the when and    were things are apropriate. If you are a die hard, stuck in your ways with blinders on--and never try anything new   cake decorator--someone else will step in GIVE that customer exactly what THAT customer wants and you will   be left wondering were did all your clients go? I have been decorating cakes for about 20 years and I know how   to do a little bit of everything---OH, and by the way, I'm also a CERTIFIED PASTRY CHEF ( so if a piece of   paper impresses anyone out there!!----( the teacher knew my background and gave me PROPS!)---SO   PLEEEAAASSSEE LET'S STOP THIS NONSENCE AND IF YOU INSIST ON CONTINUING, JUST   E-MAIL EACH OTHER PRIVATELY SO WE ALL ARE NOT SUBJECTED TO YOUR  NARROWMINDEDNESS. BECAUSE I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!!!
     Mara

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Butter vs. Crisco--your right to chose
     Date: Tue Feb 3 09:48:11 1998
     Message:
     Dear friends,
     Like I stated in my previous posting, I use both icings, and I let my customer guide me. The clients are not   concerned by health factors, they are driven by their taste buds! and I will do everything in my power to make that   client HAPPY!-that is the nature of MY BUSINESS. And , no I am not in an area that demands $4.00 to $5.00   a serving but I am getting anywhere from $1.75--to $2.00 a serving in an area where a slice of wedding cake   goes for about $.90.
     By the way, some people here need a reality check, because the last time I looked--becoming a professional chef   did not give anyone a licence to be RUDE!
     By the way--for those of you that would like to know what all the screaming is about I will post the recipes   under--Mara's Recipes----I will put on the board the Swiss Meringue and Italian butter cream and I will also post  some crisco recipes.

Author: Betty
     Subject: flavored oils
     Date: Mon Feb 2 14:25:00 1998
     Message:
     Please tell me where I can purchase flavored oils for candy making in around the Omaha NE area.

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: Flavored Oils
     Date: Mon Feb 2 15:00:12 1998
     Message:
     Is there a store in the Omaha area called "The Rolling Pin?" They carry a large number of Lorann oils.

Author: Betty
     Subject: flavored oils
     Date: Wed Feb 4 15:35:54 1998
     Message:
     Thanks Charolette for the information. We do not have "The Rolling Pin" in the Omaha area. Any other
     suggestions?

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: Flavoring Oils
     Date: Fri Feb 6 12:58:02 1998
     Message:
     Outside of your cake decorating supply store, who should be able to order them for you if they don't carry them, I   don't know who else carries them. I have a few bottles at home. I'll see if they list their address on the bottles -   perhaps you can contact the manufacturer to see which stores in your area carry them. The manufacturer should   keep a list of their vendors. Or perhaps you can order them directly (??) Barring that, I can certainly pick a bottle or two up to send to you so you can try them (they're tiny, tiny little bottles).

Author: Betty
     Subject: flavored oils
     Date: Fri Feb 6 14:53:21 1998
     Message:
     Thanks Charolette. I have 28 different flavors I just wanted to find different ones. Thanks so much for all your  help.

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: Flavored Oils
     Date: Fri Feb 6 15:21:11 1998
     Message:
     I'm curious as to what you typically add these flavorings to? I have a couple but haven't gone so far as to actually  open them yet (my intentions were good when I bought them). Do you add them to cakes or mainly just candies  and such?

Author: Betty
     Subject: flavored oils
     Date: Mon Feb 9 17:28:51 1998
     Message:
     Charlette The oils are for candy making. I found a a lot of them from www.sugarcraft.com Dolores web site. I did   copy her list 29 pages so now I will be ordering from her site. Thanks again You have been a wonderful help to  me.

Author: Debbie
     Subject: Brush Embroidery
     Date: Mon Feb 2 10:26:11 1998
    Message:
     Am interested in knowing about brush embroidery designs on a cake. What medium is this done in? Buttercreme,   royal icing, fondant? What is the technique? Or does anyone know of a book I can reference on how to do this?   Thanks.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Re: Brushed embroidery
     Date: Tue Feb 3 11:14:06 1998
     Message:
     Dear Debbie:
     Brushed embroidery is usually done on rolled fondant with royal icing. But you can experiment , if you let your   CRISCO icing crust up a little, you may be able to used a thinner consistensy icing to do the brushed embroidery,   just use a good brush and plenty of Hot water. ( like smoothing when you do 3D cartooning on a cake!)   for the list of books there are 2 books on the market that cover all the basics of European cake decorating and   they are excellent books by the Merenhurst people. E-mail me for the number to order if Dolores doesn't carry   them.     Mara     marajami@ptdprolog.net

Author: Debbie
     Subject: Thanks!
     Date: Tue Feb 3 11:51:02 1998
     Message:
     Thanks for the info. You've gotten me started in the right direction.

Author: Mickey
     Subject: Re: Brush Embroidery
     Date: Tue Feb 3 20:13:57 1998
     Message:
     Hi,
     If you can find any material by Joan McDaniel you will have about the best info on brush embroidery.
     Basically what one does is pipe a design, say a flower, and then using a brush, draw the medium out so as to   shade the design. It can be done on waxed paper (in royal), dried and the put on a cake, so it's even more   dimensional.   Hope this helps a bit.    Mickey

Author: Charlotte
     Subject: R2D2
     Date: Mon Feb 2 09:31:45 1998
     Message:
     Does anybody know the trick in baking a cake in a coffee can? My neighbor used one when she made a 3
     dimensional R2D2 cake back in the 70s when StarWars first came out. I'm sure it can't be that difficult, I'm just  wondering the baking time and whether it would be baked at normal temperature.

Author: Susan
     Subject: Re: R2D2
     Date: Mon Feb 2 18:57:56 1998
     Message:
     When you do 3D baking I find that it works best if you lower your oven temp. by 25 to 50 degrees. Then let it   bake longer. I sometimes bake in a bowl and the cake is heavier than usual but still tastes great. It does take a  long time for it to bake though, so don't panic if it is baking for 40 min. or longer. Good luck, Susan

Subject: coffee can baking
     Date: Mon Feb 2 23:51:04 1998
     Message:
     hi charlotte;
     i have done this. it does take more time. *however* i would recomend you do this another way. if possible it   would be much better to bake 4 layers in a 6" or larger round (depends on size of cake you want/how many to be   served). that way you can put filling between each two layers and support into the bottom 'tier' to keep this from  colasping (sp?)
     another alternative is to make the cake in the crisco can from pound cake or fruit cake. it needs body to support   that highth.      lynne

Author: Lori Gonzales
     Subject: cakes
     Date: Mon Feb 2 08:17:37 1998
     Message:
     my mom has always made wedding cakes for family memebers and I finally decided to learn the business , but I'm   worried about the legalities of baking out of my home for money , any words of advice about permits and health  depts ?

Author: lynne
     Subject: scroll board for lots of info re this
     Date: Mon Feb 2 20:39:18 1998
     Message:
     hi lori; if you decorate for family/relatives *w/o* charging money there is no problem.
     if you want to do this for the public there could be some problem down the road.
     if you scroll down to the end of this page you will find a botton that sayes next page. click on each one and scroll   each page looking for info. this subject has been discussed at length several times. the board goes all the way  back to spet. '97 so there is lots to read:)
     you don't have to read it all in one sitting, but have fun and you'll be surprised how much you can learn here.   lynne

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: cakes
     Date: Tue Feb 3 05:43:55 1998
     Message:
     Do you get American Cake Decorators magazine? There was a GREAT 2-3 part series in there about things you   needed to do to start a cake decorating business out of your home. If you're interested e-mail me your mailing    address and I'll send you a copy of it. Just click on my name to e-mail me. (I don't mean to insult your intelligence    if you already knew that, but, you never know who is new to computers and who is not.) :o)     Shannon

Author: Sly
     Subject: Chocolate information in ICES newsletter
     Date: Mon Feb 2 07:20:44 1998
     Message:
     About a month ago, someone posted a request about various types of chocolate and their uses/difference. I had   listed a brief summary of chocolate types that I had written for our local newsletter. The entire article (which is too   long to post here) is used in this month's ICES newsletter, including a sister article on couverture vs. summer   coating. If anyone is still confused regarding the differences in chocolate chips, baking chocolate, candy bars,   summer coating, etc, I hope this article helps.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Navy Blue Icing
     Date: Sun Feb 1 22:25:36 1998
     Message:
     Today I did a shower cake and they requested that it have navy blue on it since that was the Bride's color. I had   some navy blue foil so used it and then did an umbrella in navy blue on the top of the sheet cake. Used white   roses and white leaves and then sprinkled the edible glitter on it and it turned out very pretty. To make the navy   blue match the foil, I used royal blue, a touch of black, and a touch of violet. Matched great! Thought some of you  might have this request also as navy has become a very popular bridesmaid color.

Author: Jane
     Subject: Navy Blue Foil
     Date: Mon Feb 2 17:48:56 1998
     Message:
     Sounds like your cake was just beautiful. I am wondering where you purchased the Navy Blue Foil you
     mentioned. I live in the Denver, CO area.
: Carolyn
     Subject: Navy Blue Foil
     Date: Tue Feb 3 02:06:23 1998
     Message:
     I live near Kansas City and there is a floral supply in KC called Stuppy's. Am sure they would UPS it out to you.    They have lots of pretty colors - black, navy, beautiful red, burgandy, orange, gold, silver, white, emerald green   forrest green, sage green, lavendar, purple, blue, pink and probably some others. It has the plastic over the foil,   but I use a glassine doily hot glued on to that to make it safe. If you can't get a number to call, please let me know  and I will look it up for you.

Author: Donna
     Subject: 7 minute icing
     Date: Sun Feb 1 14:45:36 1998
     Message:
     I have been looking for a fat free white icing, and when I saw the recipe for 7 minute icng it sounded like what I   had been looking for...I tried it and it was very close to an icing found in Hostess cupcakes and twinkies...The   only problem I had was with the icing getting very hard when applied thinly to the out side of the cake... It stayed   moist inside the cupcakes... Is there a way to keep it moist inside and out???
     Thank you for time.   Donna

Author: Sherry V.
     Subject: Re: 7 minute icing
     Date: Tue Feb 10 20:26:01 1998
     Message:
     Hi Donna!
     No, there's not really a way to keep that thin outside layer of icing moist because of the absence of fat, which   doesn't evaporate like liquids do. You might try a bit thicker layer, though, so that just the outside of it crusts,   leaving a moist layer beneath. Aside from that, you can make sure it's covered tightly and used as soon as   possible.     Keep trying!    Best wishes,     Sherrry V.

Author: Elaine
     Subject: Cookie decorating icing-royal icing with meringe
     Date: Sun Feb 1 14:29:42 1998
     Message:
     Cookie decorators - what do you think is the best recipe to use for making designs on cookies? I am interested to  hear your experiences. For example, I tried the royal icing using meringe powder the other day but the icing was  so still I could hardly press it from the decorating bag. I wasn't sure if I could add more water or ...?
     On the other hand, buttercream is fairly soft and its difficult to pack cookies without squishing the design.
     I am interested because I would like to make some Valentine cookies with decorative writing, scrolls, etc.
     I like the royal icing because it hardens but it just took too much strength to move it from the bag.
     I look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance ... Elaine

Author: Ruth
     Subject: Re: Cookie decorating icing-royal icing with meringe
     Date: Sun Feb 1 17:02:56 1998
     Message:
     Elaine, Royal icing should not be that stiff. You can make it thinner by adding water to it. If it is the right
     consistancy it pipes very easily. Another icing for cookies you might want to try is made with candy fondant  available at Sugarcraft.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Icing for Cookies
     Date: Sun Feb 1 22:20:10 1998
     Message:
     Personally, I do not like royal icing on cookies - taste is terrible, I think. I prefer just regular buttercream. If you   will decorate them a couple of days ahead, they will be pretty well firmed up and you should be able to stack   carefully with wax paper/paper towels in between. Otherwise, I have just packed them single layer until I got to   school or wherever I was going. If I were doing valentine cookies, I would probably thin my red buttercream   down a lot or white if that is the color of choice and brush it on with a pastry brush and let it set overnight. Then I   would do the borders and writing or whatever the next day. I do my Christmas cookies that way - like thin and   brush the whole Christmas tree cookie with green and then let dry and pipe the decorations the next day and let   dry. Works good and tastes good. Your royal was way too stiff evidently. It should be much softer so add few   drops of warm water. Cookies for school parties are how I really broke into cake decorating and built up my   business.

Author: Sly
     Subject: cookie icing
     Date: Mon Feb 2 07:10:40 1998
     Message:
     I frost cookies with an icing that has about half the meringue powder or powdered egg whites than what most   recipes call for, and then I add a tablespoon or two of corn syrup. If I'm wanting pastel colors I'll just add vanilla   or lemon flavoring, but if I'm making darker colors or colors that have yellow in them (like green), I'll make the   entire recipe using Domino's Lemon flavor powdered sugar. So far everyone has loved it on sugar cookies. This   recipe usually hardens enough to stack all the cookies in the cookie jar after several hours. However, it stays  softer to bite into than pure royal icing, which gets very hard.

Author: Debbie
     Subject: Cookie Icing
     Date: Mon Feb 2 10:20:41 1998
     Message:
     Elaine, I've had good success with Wilton's cookie icing recipe. It dries to a hard shiny finish and you don't have   to worry about the icing smearing. 1 cup sifted powered sugar, 2 teaspoons milk and 2 teaspoons light corn  syrup. Mix sugar and milk thoroughly and then mix in the corn syrup.

Author: Kelly
     Subject: Question for Debbie
     Date: Mon Feb 2 14:19:32 1998
     Message:
     Debbie, thanks for the cookie icing recipe, how do you add colors or flavors to that recipe? I would appreciate  any exact measurements so I won't mess it up! Thanks so much!

Author: Debbie
     Subject: Cookie Icing for Kelly
     Date: Mon Feb 2 17:33:43 1998
    Message:
     Kelly--Add color a little at a time. I use a toothpick to add color. I haven't tried adding flavor. You might want to   try experimenting by substituting 1 teaspoon of flavoring in place of 1 teaspoon of the milk. If your recipe is too   thin, add powdered sugar a little at a time to get the desired consistency; if too thick, add a little corn syrup.

Author: Rita
     Subject: volleyball cake
     Date: Sat Jan 31 14:31:54 1998
     Message:
     Our local high school won state at volleyball this year, but, when I went to make the cake for them I was not able   to find anything volleyball (novelty or pick) to put on the cake. This spring we will have our annual sports banquet   and I would like to represent the four sports that will be awarded that night. They are volleyball, basketball,   softball and baseball. If anyone knows were to find volleyball items to use on cakes let me know. I've made   birthday cakes for several players and I'm running out of ideas to make each a little different. I've used the ball pan  several ways and would like to do something different. Thanks for your help. Rita

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: volleyball cake
     Date: Sun Feb 1 13:46:30 1998
     Message:
     Since vollyballs are completely white you may be able to mold something out of rolled fondant. Score the pattern   on it with a knife or toothpick. I tinted some fondant orange and made some little basketballs this way once. Hope  this helps.    Shannon

Author: Shirley W
     Subject: Butter Flavored Crisco
     Date: Sat Jan 31 10:32:46 1998
     Message:
     Has anyone ever tried the butter flavored crisco in place of regular crisco when making icing? What were the  results? Was there much of a difference in taste? Thank you in advance for your answers.

Author: Jennifer    Subject: butter-flav Crisco
     Date: Sat Jan 31 15:07:29 1998
     Message:
     There's no difference between using butter-flavored crisco and using regular crisco and adding your own butter   flavoring. By using regular crisco and adding clear butter flavoring, you will have white icing, that will tint true   colors. The butter-flavored crisco also has yellow food coloring added (to make it appear more "buttery"), which  will make your icing ivory to pale yellow, and change your colors.

Author: Kathy McGovern
     Subject: Butter Flavored Crisco
     Date: Sat Jan 31 19:13:11 1998
     Message:
     Shirley,    Once my husband bought butter flavored crisco by mistake and that was all I had, so I used it instead of adding  butter or butter flavoring. It was for a cake at my daughters office. She said everyone raved about the icing.

Author: Sly
     Subject: Butter Crisco
     Date: Sun Feb 1 10:44:25 1998
     Message:
     Actually it will change your colors quite a lot. I ran out of buttercream while decorating a cake a few months ago.
     I had no regular crisco or butter in the house, so I had to make a small batch with the butter Crisco to complete  my cake. Fortunately all I had left to complete were the borders and a lace piece. I could not get a pink or   lavender color, in fact, the colors looked horrible. I kept working on it until I finally got a dusky plum color that  would work okay with the other colors on the cake. Taste-wise it was fine, but the colors were altogether  unnatural. It was far more difficult to color than even pure-butter buttercream.

Author: Kathy McGovern
     Subject: Wedding Cakes
     Date: Fri Jan 30 23:33:42 1998
     Message:
     Hi, I'm new on here. I'm a novice cake decorator by night and drafter by day. When I have a wedding cake to   do, I bake the tiers ahead of time and freeze them, then take them out to thaw 2 nights before the wedding, so I   can ice and decorate them the day before the wedding. I'm usually up all night finishing. My husband says I should   be able to begin sooner, but I'm just afraid that they would not taste fresh . . If I'm using icing flowers, gum paste  or rolled fondant decorations, I do make those ahead of time. How soon do the rest of you start??

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Wedding Cakes
     Date: Fri Jan 30 23:53:07 1998
     Message:
     hi kathy! welcome to our humble abode.
     how far in advance do you bake those tiers? why the need to freeze them?
     tell hubby you are doing things right. if possible i ice my wedding cakes just the day before the wedding. yep! all   nighters are part of this crazy world of offering wedding cakes to the public :)
     as for your ? re: making flowers etc ahead. *yes!* do so as much as possible. gumpaste and rolled fondant  do-dads can be made as much as several months ahead! that's the beauty of using those mediums. buttercream  flowers also can be made up to a week ahead. it depends on the color partly. some colors fade -- purple/vilot are   the worst!
     personally i work mostly in buttercream. using wilton's class buttercream in a consistancy between stiff and   medium i can make my flowers ahead and let them air dry. that means letting them sit uncovered, not refrig. or   fz'n. i put them on top of the frig out of the way for a couple of days before putting them away in tubberware-type  pie containers.     that should help you some. maybe you won't have to pull so many all nighters :)     lynne

Author: Kathy McGovern
     Subject: Wedding Cakes
     Date: Sat Jan 31 19:07:54 1998
     Message:
     I usually bake them about a week in advance, then freeze them, of course sometimes I don't get that much notice.
     Once I was asked at 7:00 P.M. to do a cake for a wedding which was to be at 3:00 P.M. the next afternoon.
     That one was a killer, but just breaking into the business, I didn't want to turn anyone down. I certainly appreciate  your tips. Now I know where to go when I need help. There was something else I wanted to ask but I've  forgotten what it was now, I guess I have C.R.S.     Thanks, Kathy

Author: lynne
     Subject: freezing cakes
     Date: Sat Jan 31 20:14:34 1998
     Message:
     hi kathy; hope i didn't give you and everyone else the impression i have never frozen a cake. in fact right now i  have 7 1/4 sheets in the freezer for next sunday.
     i was suppose to have a bridal show tomarrow, but it was cancelled just after i put the cakes in the oven:) btw, the   power went out then too! but everything turned out ok.
     i have another show coming up next sunday so they will get used then along w/about 6 more.
     anyhoooo..... glad we could help out...that's what this board is all about. we are all in this together and every bit of   help is welcomed! we never know when we will be the one needing info. no one is ever too old to learn something   new. when i was teaching i would tell my advanced students to take any and all the classes they could from   anyone and that when i heard about them in another class after i finished crying i would cheer them on & maybe  join them! lynne

Author: Kathy McGovern
     Subject: Helping Each Other
     Date: Sat Jan 31 21:19:22 1998
     Message:
     Lynn, I think it's great, the way ya'll help each other out. Just today, I drove over to Biloxi to a cake and supply   shop to buy fillings, colored sugar and plastic babies to make king cakes. My husband baked a king cake last   week but we weren't sure whether to spread the filling on the rolled out dough and roll up or bake it, slice it open,   then spread the filling or what. I asked the lady at the cake shop and she told me how they do it without hesitation.    I don't believe I have ever met a nicer group of people, than cake decorators!!
    Kathy

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Wedding Cakes
     Date: Sat Jan 31 00:47:25 1998
     Message:
     We're probably all about the same!! Nuts!! I also freeze my cakes or at least chill them good, but mine are only    frozen probably 3-4 days at most. I have had a few longer and were still very good and delicious. I usually take    my cakes out 2 nights before or the morning before and let thaw. I freeze mine right in the pans they are baked in    and then put them together as layers frozen. Then after about 2-4 hours out, I put them in plastic bags that are    unscented and leave to thaw another 12 or so hours - whatever time frame I have. I usually ice them the night    before the wedding, go to bed around midnight and up again at 3 - I can't do the all night thing, need at least 3    hours sleep - then catch up in a night or two. Up at 3 to get the decorating done. Depends on how many I have to    do also. If I have 3 or more, I will try to get some completely done by Friday night which means they have to be    out thawing on Thursday. You learn about how long all this takes after a few years. Some of us have been doing it    for ions and know about what we can accomplish in so many hours. The killer is to book too many small cakes on     Friday and still have all those weddings to worry about!! My husband was a draftsman for the Government -  unusual combination (draftsman-cake decorator)! Good luck to you as you pursue this wonderful career!

Author: Rita
     Subject: Re: Wedding Cakes
     Date: Sat Jan 31 13:00:33 1998
     Message:
     I' m sure I make my cakes different than most but it works for me. I bake on Monday and freeze my cakes as   soon as they come out of the pan. I use unscented trash bags and bag each cake. On Thursday I pre-ice my   cakes. This is where I put the filling between the frozen layers and put a thin coating (sometimes called crumb   coat) over the entire cake making sure none of the cake is exposed. This ensures all the moisture stays with the   cake. On Friday I begin icing and decorating. I usually deliver early on Saturday mornings. So the cakes have time   to set-up over night. I have less problems if the cakes aren't freshly iced. I travel through the hills and have had  problems with cakes sliding if the icing doesn't have time to set-up. I use buttercream icing. Rita

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: wedding cakes
     Date: Sat Jan 31 15:02:23 1998
     Message:
     While many decorators do pull all-nighters, there's no reason you couldn't start a day earlier than you are now,   and have two nights to ice and decorate, rather than just one, as long as the icing and/or fillings do not require    refrigeration (or you have the refrigerator space). You could ice all the tiers 2 nights before the wedding, maybe    do some decorating, then finish the decorating the night before. As long as the cakes are covered with   buttercream icing, they will stay fresh for several days. I once made a tiered cake for a friends bridal shower, then   found out late the night before that it had been postponed until the next week and no one had thought to tell me. I   wasn't going to let the cake go to waste and have to do it all over again, so I just boxed it up and stuck it in the   fridge for a week. It tasted just as fresh and moist as if I had made it the day before. The only thing I noticed was  that the almond flavor of the cake was not as strong as if it had been "fresh".

Author: Kathy McGovern
     Subject: wedding cakes
     Date: Sat Jan 31 21:38:23 1998
     Message:
     Jennifer, thanks, I believe I'll try the extra day next week, I have an order for a birthday cake for 40 to 50 people.  It's for Thursday. By adding that extra day I should be able to get a good night sleep each night.

Author: Buckley
     Subject: Sylvia Weinstock and the buttercream debate...
     Date: Fri Jan 30 23:18:01 1998
     Message:
     Hi all! Great website. I came here to search for recipes for buttercream cake and frostings. When I read a few of    the earlier messages, I was reminded of a situation that occured when I was researching cakes for my own   wedding over two years ago.
     I had all the obligatory magazines and silly books, and I remember seeing a couple of pictures of Sylvia
     Weinstock cakes. They were gorgeous. Knowing full well that I could never afford such a creation, I decided to   call her shop in New York (I guess I was bored that day). She answers her own phone! Anyway, she told me all   about her cakes, and how the frosting should never, never be made with Crisco, only butter. However, she had to   be insane to want almost $1500 for a wedding party of about 150 (like I said, I was only calling out of curiousity).
     So what does this all mean? Do frostings which require oil and Crisco taste greasy and heavy as she said? When I   search old messages, will all the recipes have these ingredients? I'm curious to know as I will attempt to bake a   cake and use buttercream frosting. What ingredients should I be looking for? Thanks a lot.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: butter vs crisco
     Date: Fri Jan 30 23:37:41 1998
     Message:
     Despite what some people will say, there is little difference between butter and crisco, other than taste and melting   temperature. Fat is fat. Butter is animal fat (thus high in cholesterol, and crisco is vegetable fat (no cholesterol),   they are both fat so they will both be greasy. Butter melts at a lower temperature, thus is more difficult to work   with, and the cake must be kept refrigerated, or in a well air-conditioned room at the least. Butter also gives the   icing an off-white to ivory color, rather than a true white. I think it comes down to personal convenience and taste.
     If you don't mind having to keep the icing refrigerated, and having to constantly switch decorating bags as one gets   too warm, then you could use butter. My mother never bought butter, only margarine, so I personally don't like  the taste of butter, or the bother. A good compromise to try is using half butter and half crisco.

Author: Buckley
     Subject: Jennifer...
     Date: Sat Jan 31 10:17:38 1998
    Message:
     Thanks for answering. I never thought of it that way. As far as butter giving frosting an ivory color. I remember  reading in "Bridal Bargains" that an alternative is to use European white butter in the frosting. The authors claimed   that many bakers are reluctant to do this as butter of this sort is expensive. However, for some this may be an  alternative to Crisco, if they want white frosting for their cakes.

Author: lynne
     Subject: white butter
     Date: Sat Jan 31 17:26:40 1998
     Message:
     hi jennifer and buckley;
     now just *where* would one find such a 'white elephant'??
     in another post i mentioned i do use *real* butter in my icing --the ratio is 1/2 # butter to 1 1/2# crisco to 3#   sugar. the taste is improved w/ very little color difference. yes, there is a slight off-whiteness to it but unless one  were to use royal icing or wilton class buttercream noone really knows it is not *white*. i do have one local hall   that i guess the lighting is weird or something because two people complained about the cake not being white in  there. that is the only complaints/comments ever recieved.     lynne

Author: Jeff Arnett
     Subject: Is Ms. Weintsocks buttercream meringue based or powdered sug
     Date: Fri Jan 30 23:44:40 1998

Author: Buckley
     Subject: Gee, Jeff, I'm not sure, but you can try calling her bakery
     Date: Sat Jan 31 10:14:44 1998

Author: Jill
     Subject: Sylvia Weinstock, etal
     Date: Mon Feb 2 21:44:45 1998
     Message:
     Mrs. Weinstock can get $10.00+ a slice of wedding cake because she takes the time to use natural ingredients,   fresh products and her decorating skills are unmatched. Decorating cakes the way she does takes lots of time.
     I suggest you take a picture of a few cakes you really like to a good baker (not an amature crisco user) who will   make you a cake that tastes wonderful, with all natural ingredients, AND possibly be able to decorate it in the   Weinstock fashion. Good Luck and GREAT QUESTION! If you scrool back to messages from early december   you will find the recipe i use for Buttercream, a TRADITIONAL BUTTERCREAM,not a fake buttercream with  crisco and powdered sugar, YUK!     Jill

Author: Gracie B.
     Subject: Re: Sylvia Weinstock, etal
     Date: Tue Feb 3 20:35:30 1998
     Message:
     I feel the likes of weinstock,stewart, ad nausem, do some of the ugliest, most poorly decorated 'things' put over  on an uneducated, bigoted strata of society.
     And I assume the word you keep tossing about is meant to be 'amateur', so at least spell it right. It's also 'scroll'  and not scrool, as I think you misspelled it.
     You have a 'thing' about crisco vs butter, and I have a thing about people that show their ignorance by their use of  the English language.     GB

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Re: Famous cake decorators
     Date: Tue Feb 3 11:34:28 1998
     Message:
     Dear Friends:
     I don't know what the big to do about "certain Decorators" has to do with anything. Especially "famous"
     decorators that have a "Bad Attitude"--( these could be anyone)-Just because someone is on T.V. or has done a   book, do we all fall down in adoration?--The world of sugar is a "very small world" and everyone knows   everything about everyone else. ( that is the heavy hitters in this business)
     I have taken classes with the people that have taught Ms. Weinstock ( never met her), Ms. Peters ( a very sharing   person), and Mr. Israel ( haven't met him yet) and I will put my talents against theirs anyday!--I CHOSE NOT   TO---there is a place for everyone if they want it. My place is in my little bitty , sleepy town. I do not think myself   on a pedestal so small that there is no room for anyone else. I teach cake decorating classes and when I see   someone with potential and desire, I encourage them to go on to the Masters of this art. I have done radio, I am   getting ready for my 3rd. and 4th T.V. appearance and have had num. newspaper articles written about me, and   just completed my first video of a series-- all this is is marketing!---if you would like to do the same thing--just call   the papers, just call the t.v. stations, invite them to your shop, BECOME A HEAVY HITTER in your neigborhod   too, you have talents, be proud! show off a little AND NEVER POINT OUT YOUR MISTAKES!!!;-)
     P.S. By the way a lot of these famous cake decorators aren't Pastry chefs eighter-- the education is important, but   the experience is crucial!!!!--that's just my opinion.

Author: Linda Jones
     Subject: The great Buttercream debate
     Date: Fri Jan 30 20:38:15 1998
     Message:
     I realize I will probably start a heated discussion, but I'd really like to hear your thoughts on which is better,   buttercream made with shortening/butter/powdered sugar or the meringue type made with a boiled syrup and   butter.
     I recently read the recipe for a Swiss Meringue Buttercream in THE CAKE BIBLE and gave it a try. I must say   that I was a bit disappointed. It tasted to me like I was eating a cake frosted with pure butter. I would, personally,   prefer by own powdered sugar buttercream any day over the meringue type. My family felt the same way. In fact,   most of the cake was thrown out. I also found it to be very soft and hard to work with without constantly   refrigerating the bowl and bags. I often have customers ask to purchase bowls of my powdered sugar buttercream  to take home [some say they eat it with a spoon...but that's too much even for me!].
     I would love to hear what everyone else has to say...both positive and negative...about these two types of   decorating frosting.

Author: Mindy
     Subject: buttercream
     Date: Fri Jan 30 20:47:11 1998
     Message:
     I tried that recipe with the boiled sugar syrup and butter awhile back, and I agree it was almost like pure butter. I  went ahead and used it but I had to thin it down a bunch by adding powdered sugar. It tasted pretty good then.

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: The great Buttercream debate
     Date: Fri Jan 30 21:13:04 1998
     Message:
     I agree with you about the buttercream. I do use a good, tried and true buttercream (butter, shortening, powdered   sugar)for most of my cakes and have for 30+ years. I, too, have folks that ask for frosting or my recipe, which I  share regularly and happily.
     For dessert or specialty cakes I do use different types of frosting, but they are rarely fancilly decorated.
     What it comes down to I reckon is that old adage - there's a time and place for everything.
     It will be interesting though to see what kind of responses you provoke.   Happy decorating,   Mickey

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Buttercream Debate
     Date: Fri Jan 30 21:49:01 1998
     Message:
     If you'll scroll back to about December 4 or maybe in that time frame, you'll find a long and almost heated debate   by one or two people that thought their way was the "only" way that that Crisco was not good for you to use   because your body does not digest it or something to that way of thinking. Maybe not, but I don't plan to eat   straight Crisco and surely the minute amount that would cover 1 piece of cake would not hurt too many people.
     My recipe is on the board back in December with some of the rest. It is strictly buttercream which has worked for   me and my customers like better than anyone else's so that is what matters to me - not what some chef thinks is   the only way. I don't have the room to refrigerate all the cakes I do which is what you need to do with the Swiss  meringue, I understand. I have never made it. Will stick to the Buttercream!!

Author: Jill
     Subject: correct information on frostings.
     Date: Mon Feb 2 22:04:35 1998
     Message:
     Buttercream is made with butter, egg yolks, water & sugar.
     Decorator's Icing is made with confectioner's sugar, crisco, and flavorings. Big difference.      Jill

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: Buttercreme debate
     Date: Fri Jan 30 22:26:50 1998
     Message:
     Yes, I take the stand that it is all in what works best for the individual-and the customer! I watched Martha   Stewart yesterday when she used that Swiss meringue-whatever-it-was-called....Maybe it tastes great, but I don't   have the time for such 'fooling around'!! Most decorators use the traditional shortening/butter & 10x sugar recipe,  so 1000's of decorators can't be wrong. Use what works best for YOU!
     I, personally, use another type of icing to frost my cakes, then decorate in the buttercream icing. It makes for a   nice combination-not too sweet. This icing is traditionally made by cooking milk and flour to make a paste, then   mixing it with butter and granulated sugar. There is an easier method I use now, but the result is pretty much the  same-and my customers love it!     Keep decorating!     Jackie

Author: Marie    Subject: Icing
     Date: Fri Jan 30 23:33:37 1998
     Message:
     Jackie,
     Your icing sounds like what I make for the red velvet cakes. Would you care to share your simplified version?     Seems like the way I do it is very time-consuming - cooking the flour and milk, letting it cool, mixing the butter and    sugar forever, then the flour and milk....and on and on... :-)     Marie

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: Buttercream debate
     Date: Fri Jan 30 23:09:33 1998
     Message:
     I also use traditional decorating "buttercream" made with Crisco (which is vegetable oil and easily digested,   BTW), powdered sugar, flavorings, and water. I prefer this over the recipe using actual butter and cream for three   reasons: I personally don't like the taste of butter, butter makes it too soft, and I prefer to use a non-perishable   icing for my convenience, as well as my customers. I work out of my home, and have no refrigerator space for   storing cakes. Also, many of my customers don't have the space, either. I have never tried, or tasted, the versions   using butter, eggs, and syrup. I don't know how the taste would compare, but they sound like too much trouble,   and I have serious reservations about using eggs in my icings. Some people may genuinely prefer it, but I think  others just have the attitude that something has to be a lot of work to be good.

Author: jill
     Subject: BTW...
     Date: Mon Feb 2 21:59:05 1998
     Message:
     Crisco contains PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN & COTTONSEED OILS, MONO AND
     DIGLYCERIDES.
     Anything partially hydrogenated is NOT digestible by the human body (BTW). Pure untreated vegetable oil, on  the other hand, is. How do you think they get that oil so solid?

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: The great Buttercream debate
     Date: Sat Jan 31 00:14:16 1998
     Message:
     i stand in line behind most everyone who has already posted on this debate.
     only i do use part butter in my recipe. the ratio is 1/2 lb butter to 1 1/2 lb crisco to 3 lb pdwr sugar.
     most of my customers prefere it over whipped cream. there are a few die hards who insist on the whipped cream   saying it is not as sweet. i use a commercial non-dairy whipped topping that i personally find so close in sweetness  as not to make a difference :) i don't tell the customer that, tho :)     lynne

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Classic Buttercream Vs. Decorator Buttercream
     Date: Sun Feb 1 12:03:02 1998

     Message:
     Dear Friends:
     I agree with most on this posting, there is a time and place for everything. I use Classic Italian Buttercream Icing   for all my cakes, it is not too soft that I can't decorate with it and it's a very forgiving recipe. You can use as much   or as little butter as your taste buds require. Now when I do cakes that need the bright and cheerful colors I use   the Decorator's icing--Crisco and 10X, with no problem and shame. My butter cream recipe is very easy and you   will not need to use a candy thermometer to make it as you would need to use in making swiss butter cream. I can   leave my cake out in a cool room for a couple of days, no problem --and I have a lot of customers that come to   me from word of mouth because of the icing that I use. It doesn't matter which one, because I make sure that I   use extracts to flavor my icings, which most major bakeries won't because they are trying to be cost effective.(
     that is why most people complain about "Bakery" icing being too sweet--they only use shortening , sugar and   water)--so any thing you add to your Crisco icing will be a major improvement!---
     If anyone would like my Classic Buttercream recipe--e-mail me at "marajami@ptdprolog.net"--I will be more   than happy to send it to you ASAP.

Author: Judy Lubben
     Subject: angelfood wedding cake
     Date: Fri Jan 30 19:46:35 1998
     Message:
     I have gotten a request for an angelfood wedding cake. I was  told by my neighbor, who is originally from Wisconsin, that  many people in that area do angelfood wedding cakes. He said   it is the consistancy of regular cake but tastes like angelfood.  Can anyone help me? Or can I stack an angelfood cake? Thanks
for your help.

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: angelfood wedding cake
     Date: Fri Jan 30 20:44:12 1998
     Message:
     Hi,
     There is a white cake that tastes like angelfood, and I'll have to go back and dig it out. It's good, not as dry as  some white cake tends to be.
     You could use a regular angelfood cake too. You'd have to be really careful with your support system, dowels or  what ever you use, but it could be done. I've done it one time
     and it was only two tiers, but it can work.
     You have to be very light handed with the frosting, especially if you use buttercream, and it won't take a lot of side  work, but it will work!     Good luck,     Mickey

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Re: angelfood wedding cake
     Date: Sat Jan 31 00:18:24 1998
     Message:
     mickey when you get that recipe dug out could you post it here? i'd be interested. thanks.     lynne

Author: Jenny B
     Subject: Angelfood wedding cake
     Date: Fri Jan 30 20:57:17 1998
     Message:
     I suggest that, if you have them, bake the cakes in 3" high pans using a baking core. This will allow you to create   any size angel food cake you want.
    I would be hesitant about pillars and plates. Why not use Wilton's Tall Tier Stand, the one with the central   column? That way, there is no weight on the cake. Or use one of the stands that you simple set the cakes on, like  Wilton's Garden Stand. A boiled icing might be light enough, though you can't pipe much with it. How about just  frosting the sides and using flowers on top of the cakes? Hope things work out.

Author: Mindy
     Subject: chat rooms for cake decorators
     Date: Fri Jan 30 16:01:21 1998
     Message:
     I was wondering if there are any chat rooms dedicated to cake decorators. In my area there isn't a local phone   number for aol so I only have a local server that hooks me up to the internet. But there isn't anyway to be in on the   chats on Thursday night with Dolores and all of you other cake decorators. Are there any other people like me  that can't be in on the aol chats and would be interested in getting together a chat room on the internet.

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: chat room
     Date: Fri Jan 30 19:52:56 1998
     Message:
     Soon after I got hooked on a chat room, I wondered the same thing. I heard about the Thursday nites on aol, but   I can't get aol. I checked out some info on starting a chat room, but it sounded expensive,& time consuming. I   only have the 'bare essentials' in computer equipment and knowledge...but if anyone has the resources to support   such an adventure I'd love to join in ! Until then, this board is the closest thing to a chat room....(thanks Dolores!)     Jackie N.

Author: Veronica
     Subject: Black Icing ???
     Date: Fri Jan 30 13:50:05 1998
     Message:
     Help!!! Everytime I make black icing, It comes out gray. I have tried using Wilton Icing Coloring and it does the  same and also Black powder coloring. Anybody have any ideas how to make the icing black not gray?????

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Black Icing
     Date: Fri Jan 30 14:00:43 1998
     Message:
     It takes quite a lot of the black to get a true black, but you might try adding some cocoa and that will help you get   dark faster. Sometimes, if I have leftover colors of any colors, I will mix all together so they don't go to waste and  then put the black in.

Author: leigh
     Subject: black icing
     Date: Fri Jan 30 14:45:30 1998
     Message:
     buy apollo brand food coloring this is also sold in other colors also red and royal blue. royal blue is what i use for  sky blue.

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: black icing
     Date: Fri Jan 30 15:09:53 1998
     Message:
     Carolyn has the best solution-it's always better to use colored icing to make a darker color. This way you
     conserve your paste colors since you don't need to use as much. I use leftover pink icing to make red, leftover  green or light blue to make royal blue, and like Carolyn, I'll mix together some of my leftover colors(it'll make a   sickly brownish color) and use it to make black. You could also try chocolate icing-it will taste better! Remember   that it takes ALOT of coloring to make a dark color! Also, the colored icing will darken as it sets, so make it the  day before you decorate. Hope this helps.     Jackie

Author: Marie
     Subject: black icing
     Date: Fri Jan 30 16:12:54 1998
     Message:
I use Chefmastaer Jet Black paste color and have no trouble getting a true black. It doesn't take as much color  when you start with chocolate icing and I think it does taste better. I haven't tried mixing the leftover colors - I'll   have to try that.     Marie

Author: Nancy
     Subject: black icing
     Date: Fri Jan 30 20:07:29 1998
     Message:
     Black and red are the 2 hardest colors to achive. If you let the icing get to a dark grey in the bowl with foodcolor   then as the icing dries is should dry to black. If you try getting it black in the bowl thats when the bitter taste  comes in. The ideas about using colored icing to start is are great too.

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: Black Icing ???
     Date: Sat Jan 31 17:41:46 1998

     Message:
     I do it the REALLY EASY way. I just buy the tubes of black icing already mixed. It is just so much more
     convenient. Since the only thing I usually use black for is outlining, pupils, and other small decorations I hate to    have to mess up a bowl just to mix up a 1/4 c of black icing. And since there is usually not enough on the cake to    have a significant flavor I usually just get the cheap kind (If I can't find Wilton's). If I have to cover a large area I    do what some of the others have said and add cocoa to make the icing dark and then add my black coloring. (No    risk of it being bitter that way either). If your really lazy (and happen to have some on hand) you can use pre made    chocolate icing and add black to it. If you still want to make it from white icing don't be afraid to use alot of the    icing color. The first time I made black icing I thought ' Am I supposed to be adding THIS MUCH?!' It depends    on how much icing you're trying to make, but I have had to add half a jar of the Wilton black (the 1 oz. jar) in the    past to get it good and black. Also, you'd be suprised how a grey color in the bowl will look black on the cake.   Some colors (like black and red) will intensify (sp?) after they sit for a while too.    Hope this helps :)     Shannon

Author: Jeannine
     Subject: black icing
     Date: Sun Feb 1 19:27:21 1998
     Message:
     I also will start with a chocolate icing, or a mixture of all sorts of icing colors, but will sometimes add black piping   gel once I reach that "gray" stage and this helps to achieve the black color and also gives a nice shine. You may want to start with a little stiffer buttercream because the piping gel does thin it down somewhat.

Author: Jane
     Subject: Problem With Icing Buckling
     Date: Thu Jan 29 22:03:02 1998
     Message:
     I have had several instances of buttercream icing buckling on a completed cake. It looks good when I finish   smoothing and decorating, but hours later it has buckled outward at the seam where the tiers meet. I have tried  pushing it back in, but by then it has crusted and it tends to crackle with lines. I'm not sure why this occurs -- most  of the time, it doesn't. Any ideas or suggestions?

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: I had that problem once too!
     Date: Thu Jan 29 23:04:16 1998

     Message:
     Hi,
     Years ago, when I was early in my career as a decorator, I would often get bulged icing at the seams where two   layers met. This is how I've remedied the situation and it never happens now.
     1. If the icing is to soft, the weight of the cakes may cause the filling to squeeze out. When you spread on your   filling icing, leave at least a 1/4 border all around and don't have it too thick at the edges.
     2. How are you leveling your cakes? I once read an article in American Cake Decorating that suggested pressing  the  edges of the cake to level, squeezing out the extra icing. I'd almost guarantee that it would bulge!
     I bake may cakes in pans with perfectly straight edges. I bet you do too. Next, I use a cake leveling saw that   I purchased from MAID OF SCANDANAVIA to perfectly level my cakes. Even the slightest rounded top may   lead to a gap that will cause bulging.
     Once I have sliced my cake's top off so that the layers
     are perfectly flat, I place the first layer CUT SIDE UP [TOP SIDE IS CUT SIDE] on the board, spread the icing,   then place the top layer CUT SIDE DOWN. The edges meet perfectly and there is no gap where the layers meet.   When forsted, no bulging occurs.
     If you don't have the saw, buy one. If you need MAID OF
     SCANDANAVIA'S phone number, e-mail me. Give my method a try...I think it's the solution you're looking for.     Good luck.     Jeff Arnett

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Problem With Icing Buckling
     Date: Fri Jan 30 00:34:45 1998
     Message:
     part of what jeff sayes is very helpful. you must use pans with straight sides that should be 2" high. fill pan with   proper amound of batter for size of pan. very important to learn how much batter each pan holds. always fill 1/2   to 2/3 full but more than that will just be wasted.
     use a good cake saw. 'maids' that he mentions is now known as sweet celebration.
     once cake has cooled level w/saw to the top of pan.
     *now here's the important part!*
     use a tip 10 to make your dam to hold filling. don't know if they still do but wilton used to teach using a coupler   w/o tube. *this is too high* and a person tends to put too much filling in (bringing it level with icing dam top). when   the top layer of cake is added the weight of it pushed the filling out . that is what causes you problem.
     one last tip: make sure you are using sturdy boards to hold your cakes so that cake &/or icing does not crack  when you move the cake.     lynne

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Bulges on iced cakes!
     Date: Sun Feb 1 12:12:47 1998
     Message:
     Dear Jane:
     Lynne and Jeff's methods are good. Here is my suggestion also. After you have "dammed " and filled you cake,   take a cake board and press down on the top cake to make a tight seal between the cakes. If any of the icing   bulges out it will do so then and there. Take a small, angled spatula and use this excess icing to crumb coat the   sides of your cake, just have your cake on a turn table and put spatula on the cake and spin lightly. Pressing the   cake board on the top of the cake will also distribute the filling evenly and adhere the top layer to the bottom layer   of cake making it harder for the icing to bulge out when the cake settles.

Author: Flora
     Subject: 2" or 3" standard?
     Date: Thu Jan 29 18:03:37 1998
     Message:
     When wedding cakes are made, is it standard to use 2" or 3" pans? (like when Wilton shows a particular cake in   a photo with a serving size listed - what is the depth of the pan?) Also, is it assumed to be torted? (which might  raise it, also)

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: 2" or 3" high?
     Date: Thu Jan 29 18:27:27 1998
     Message:
     Each of my layers is 2" high at least. I use 2 layers in each tier which means I have at least a 4" high cake - a week     or so ago I measured one and it was about 4 1/2". I do not like skinny tiers of cake. To me it looks cheap and I     want them to feel they are getting a "piece" of cake" and getting their money's worth. It doesn't cost that much     more to use an extra cake batter to make them happy. My business is strictly based on word of mouth and I     started out as a hobbyist doing it for my kids. Never went into it as a business, but it evolved from word of mouth  and now I have more than I can keep up with. I've done cakes for 34 years and never ever meant to do it for the   money.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: 2" or 3" standard?
     Date: Thu Jan 29 22:00:18 1998
     Message:
     i'm with carolyn on this one. if you read the directions wilton gives for making each cake you will see they
     recommend using 4" tiers. usually that means using 2 two inch layers.
     as for torting -- i don't. when i started in this about 18 yrs ago the few cakes i torted did not look right -- seemed  the sides were rounded and the cakes were not stable.
     so i stopped torting. look of cakes improved.
     (now, now everyone -- just because i got practice and improved my decorating skills does not mean anything here  -GBG :)
     some of the new designs -- *especially* those covered w/fondant are only 3" . usually baked in wilton's 3'' pans  so they get sales :)   lynne

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: How high?????
     Date: Sun Feb 1 12:20:41 1998
     Message:
     Hi all,
     Your slice of cake should never be larger than the smallest plate---( I think that is 6")---The only time I will make   a cake that high is for competion, to showcake any side design. Usually I do the same, make 2, 2" layers and fill. I   have also done, small cake to feed a larger crowd. This is were I use 2, 3" cakes--I bake and fill each one. Then I   put a cake board in between --so the cake is slightly higher, (this is great from a visual point of view) but the   servings are still the same, the first servings are made from the 1st. 3" cake, the board is then removed and the  next servings are made from the bottom 3" cake. ( I hope that you can visualize this) I don't do this often but I  have done it.

Author: Mindy
     Subject: Martha Stewart wedding shows
     Date: Thu Jan 29 12:03:27 1998
     Message:
     Just wanted to let everyone know that the Martha Stewart wedding cake show is on today. Mindy

Author: Jackie
     Subject: Martha Stewart...
     Date: Thu Jan 29 16:19:36 1998
     Message:
     Saw it....she has some great ideas-loved the idea of the rose cake they did- but I(and most of my friends) think   that she should leave the cake decorating to the experts! (Like those represented here on this message board!) :o)

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Martha Stewart
     Date: Thu Jan 29 18:49:56 1998
     Message:
     I (and about 4,000) other ICES members agree with you!! We sent her a personal letter/invitation in 1995 to   attend and be a part of the 1995 ICES convention. We thought it might be a drawing card, but we never heard a   word from her. Maybe she was afraid of all of us!! I had a bride bring me a picture of a wedding cake from her  book and asked if I could do it. I said "not to be bragging, I can do it and it will look much better than that picture  does". After the wedding, she came back and said "you were certainly right, it did look much better than in that  book of Martha Stewart's!" It's like comparing grocery store (most of them) cakes to ours! I understand they  have to mass produce and in 10 minutes have a cake done. I choose not to do that kind of work. Sometimes, I  can do one in an hour - depending on the cake, but I always allow even an hour for a birthday cake.

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: Martha Stewart
     Date: Thu Jan 29 19:10:30 1998
     Message:
     Amen. Carolyn, tell'm how it is!!!!!!'Name' don't cut it as we see over and over again.

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: Did anyone else think that Martha Stewart's ROSE CAKE would
     Date: Thu Jan 29 20:27:27 1998

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Cake
     Date: Thu Jan 29 22:47:20 1998
     Message:
     No way possible that cake could stand up for a very long period of time when they told us not to cut the dowels   all the same  length because the cake might not be level - that's for sure when they all would need to be level!!!     Better leave the driving (I mean cake decorating!) to us!!

Author: Jeff Arnett
     Subject: AMEN!
     Date: Thu Jan 29 22:53:15 1998

Author: Nancy
     Subject: Ms. Stewart
     Date: Fri Jan 30 20:28:38 1998
     Message:
     I quit watching her when I saw her do a wedding cake and she stated that it only took her 15 minutes (although by   the looks of some of her cakes that is all the time she spent on it) All the prep work was already done. The   flowers were fresh, washed cut and laid out on trays for her etc. I do get a LOT of people in my shop that are   looking for the Martha ingredient of the day (whatever she happens to be using that day). She has been a great   boon to my business. Then they take my classes and learn the right way.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: foils
     Date: Thu Jan 29 11:46:30 1998
     Message:
     Does anyone know of a source for colored, especially patterned, FOOD SAFE foils, other than Wilton? I will not   use florist foil, though it is beutiful, those beutiful colors are imparted by the use of heavy metals, which can be   toxic. I could not in good conscience use these with a food product; I'm surprised that so many bakeries do.     Unfortunatley, Wilton is the only food-safe foil I have found, and as we all know it is very plain and only comes in   gold, silver, pink, and white.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Foils
     Date: Thu Jan 29 13:13:31 1998
     Message:
     Just wanted to let you know how I use the beautiful foils and not have the cake right on them. I use glassine doilies   that I get from the bakery supply warehouse in KC. I cut them the approximate size of the cake and then hot glue   them to the foil. This keeps the cake off the foil and is safe. Just be sure that it is glued good so it will not come up   when they cut the cake. The foil just adds so much color because I don't like colored borders at all. I like the  color on the board and in the design, but the rest if usually white.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Foils
     Date: Thu Jan 29 13:14:27 1998
     Message:
     Just wanted to let you know how I use the beautiful foils and not have the cake right on them. I use glassine doilies   that I get from the bakery supply warehouse in KC. I cut them the approximate size of the cake and then hot glue   them to the foil. This keeps the cake off the foil and is safe. Just be sure that it is glued good so it will not come up   when they cut the cake. The foil just adds so much color because I don't like colored borders at all. I like the  color on the board and in the design, but the rest is usually white.

Author: Aneta
     Subject: foil
     Date: Thu Jan 29 16:08:50 1998
     Message:
     I work at a bakery and have bought foil through one of our cake decorating catalogs. I beleive it was through   Pheil and Hollings or Hein. They have about 15 different colors with a fern pattern.Try through your local bakery.

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Great idea!
     Date: Fri Jan 30 01:06:00 1998
     Message:
     Here's a good way to use any cake board covering you want, food safe or not. Cover your cake board with   whatever you want, even wrapping paper, then cover that with plastic wrap. Way WAY back on this message   board someone posted this idea (I can't remember who) so I can't take credit for it. I have done this and it works   very well if you can get the plastic wrap on tight. Could someone tell me if cellophane wrap (like they wrap fruit   baskets and things in) is food safe? I know it is fairly safe at least or they wouldn't wrap food in it but is it safe to   sit a cake on it? This would be much easier to work with and hold up to a cake knife better. The person who  posted this idea MAY have recommended cellophane but I can't remember.     Shannon

Author: Patricia
     Subject: Thanks to all!
     Date: Thu Jan 29 08:42:33 1998
     Message:
     I just wanted to express my appreciation to all of you for the inspiration you have given me to continue my cake   decorating. I had stopped making and selling birthday and wedding cakes for a year due to family problems, but   all of you have inspired me to begin decorating again. My first big step was to participate in my local bridal fair   which was this past Tuesday night. I had a wonderful time and was welcomed back by several other merchants   that I had dealt with in the past. I had many compliments on the taste of my cake and also on my skill as a   decorator. This encouragement was just what I needed to boost my confidence and assure me that I had made   the right decision. This board is a wonderful place to come for ideas and encouragement.     Thank you.     Patricia

Author: Shirleyr
     Subject: A-Tisket,A-Tasket
     Date: Thu Jan 29 00:51:47 1998
     Message:
     I have to do a cake for a bake sale at the school where my husband works,so i am doing the one on page10 in   the1994 yearbook of 3 cats in a basket and was just wondering how do you wrap it or box it?I thought maybe i    could wrap it in pretty pastel colored saran wrap and tie a bow around it,but i'm not sure now!So could someone   give me a few ideas on what you would do? I'd really appreciate it alot.
     Thank You     shirley     Need it before Feb.7

Author: RobinG
     Subject: SHERRY - Castle Cakes
     Date: Thu Jan 29 00:09:54 1998
     Message:
     Hi Sherry: A week or so ago, you asked about castle cakes. Did you see the March/April 1997 issue of
     American Cake Decorating? They have several different castles you may be interested in. Just thought you might  want to know - I didn't know if you still were looking.

Author: Rita
     Subject: packaging
     Date: Wed Jan 28 15:10:54 1998
     Message:
     I was wondering if others have had problems finding boxes for cakes such as the wondermold doll cake, I've   several request for 3-D lamb and bunny cakes but I haven't been able to find boxes for these odd shaped cakes.

from Dolores..............we carry a tall box for these cakes...expect to pay a pretty penny though!

Author: Sly
     Subject: packaging odd shapes/sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 21:51:13 1998
     Message:
     I rarely use a box with a lid when doing dimensional cakes. I usually use a very heavy cardboard open box. I   usually put a rubber no-skid pad down between the cake board and the box, and that way the cake doesn't  usually hit the edge of the box. (they're about 2"-3" deep.)

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Re: wrapping odd cakes
     Date: Sun Feb 1 12:28:02 1998
     Message:
     Dear friends:
     I agree with Sly---only I do put a sheet of food grade cello paper on the top to keep the dust off. I too use the  non skid mat under the cake and box.

Author: Shannon
     Subject: cello paper
     Date: Sun Feb 1 13:34:37 1998
     Message:
     Is it safe to sit a cake directly on this? I was wondering about this in a post a little higher up on the board. We   were talking about covering cake boards. Someone had said something a LONG time ago about covering their   board with something other than Wilton foil (wrapping paper I think) and then covering that with plastic wrap. I   was just wondering if cellophane would be safe. It seems like it would be alot easier to handle than plastic wrap.     Shannon

Subject: Covered w/plastic.
     Date: Mon Feb 2 07:02:40 1998
     Message:
     I guess forgot to mention it, but I also drape the cake with plastic wrap to keep out dust/rain/bugs, etc. until it   reaches it's destination. After I finish decorating, I don't cover it until everything has firmed up and crusted over   though. Wouldn't want to peel up any decorations with the wrap.

Author: RobinG
     Subject: Boxes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 23:33:12 1998
     Message:
     Rita -- I know what you mean, I usually use the appropriate size cake box, and lower the top as far as possible,   without touching the cake and staple it in place. Then I put plastic wrap across the open section and tape in place,   so it's like a window, and nothing can fly in.

Author: Mindy
     Subject: cake boxes
     Date: Fri Jan 30 20:55:29 1998
     Message:
     Dolores had some 3-D cake boxes that are 7.5 inches tall and 10L x 5W.

Author: Shannon
     Subject: mints
     Date: Wed Jan 28 02:22:10 1998
     Message:
     Does anyone have a good recipe for mints? I'm not looking for any kind in particular. What kind of mints do get   the most requests for? I have a recipe for cream cheese mints but haven't tried it yet. How much do you charge?
     Sorry for all the questions but I'm starting to get some requests for these and don't really know what kind are the   best. I would like to be able to offer a choice between cream cheese mints and some other kind and I have  absolutely no idea what to charge. Any help would be VERY appreciated!     Thanks,    Shannon :)

Author: RobinG
     Subject: Mints
     Date: Wed Jan 28 03:27:03 1998
     Message:
     Hi: Not sure if you have candy in mind, but I add peppermint flavoring oil to my chocolate coating and mold in a   candy mold. Any color they want. Even personalize some of them with name or initial using a squeeze bottle or   pastry bag. The mold I use is a little larger than a quarter, so they get about 80 in a pound. Plain I charge $9.50   lb., personalized I charge $15.00 lb. Tedious and time consuming. Really hate personalizing them :-(

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: mints
     Date: Wed Jan 28 10:15:32 1998
     Message:
     This is what I had at my wedding, and have had at a couple of others (the mint flavored coating). My cake was   decorated with pink roses, so the mints were pink roses and green leaves. I think the mint flavored coating is very   good; I don't remember having any other types of mints. There are at least three different mint flavors available:     peppermint, spearmint, and creme de menthe.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Mints
     Date: Wed Jan 28 10:21:08 1998
     Message:
     I do tons of mints as I cater weddings and the girls are so amazed that the mints will carry their colors through so     everything is coordinated. The favorite seems to be the cream cheese and is less time consuming for me. I color     the cream cheese mixture sorta like doing gumpaste - small amounts as needed. I then roll it out like pie dough on     a marble slab, but could use plain cabinet. On the marble, I don't need any pd. sugar - just roll out. In case it is a     little sticky just add more pd. sugar either to mixture or to roll on. I roll out to probably 1/8" thick - fairly thin, but     strong enough to not break easily. Then I cut away - usually making around 300-400 mints in an hour. I use the     tiny aspic cutters that are like 1/2" or so across - usually the heart for weddings. I don't really give them much     choice on these for weddings I cater. Now if I am just doing the mints only or with the cake, they can choose. I     rarely do the chocolate molded ones because they are more time consuming and I charge them more. Just the     mints alone of cut out cream cheese, I charge 6 cents per mint - if they are molded of either cream cheese or     chocolate, it goes to 10 cents per mint. For my weddings, I like to have at least 2 colors arranged in my mint dish     - like pink and white or whatever the bride's colors are. Looks very pretty and you'll get lots of comments. I     usually make these 2-3 days ahead and air dry in sheet cake boxes with saran wrap under them. They can also be   frozen, but I prefer to do fresh. Leftover cream cheese mixture can be frozen or kept in refrigerator for quite a    period of time. Mints are very time consuming so don't underprice them.

Author: shirleyr
     Subject: RE:mints
     Date: Wed Jan 28 03:40:11 1998
     Message:
     Shannon,
     If you check Deloris web site,I think she has some there under recipes.     shirley

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: RE:mints
     Date: Wed Jan 28 14:32:47 1998
     Message:
     Thanks! Since I usually just come straight to the bulliten board I forget about all the other places on Dolores'  page! :)

Author: Sly
     Subject: cream cheese mints
     Date: Wed Jan 28 07:59:37 1998
     Message:
     I use a "cookie shooter" with the cream cheese mints to make dozens upon dozens at a time. I've never had to   mass produce them, but if I did, I'd use a cookie shooter or pipe them so that things would go very quickly.    You can also mold the cream cheese mints into little shapes, but unless you want to buy LOTS of molds, it's  probably not the best way to mass produce them.

Author: Marie
     Subject: mints
     Date: Thu Jan 29 19:33:16 1998
     Message:
     Hi!
     I make cream cheese mints with 1 large package cream cheese, 2 pounds powdered sugar and a few drops mint    flavor or one drop mint oil. I mix it in my Kitchen Aid. Any paste color you want can be added while mixing. This   can be molded in the mint molds by taking a marble sized piece, dipping it in sugar and stuffing into the mold, then   popping it out, but I don't like spending the time. I charge $20. per hundred for these.
     If you add 1 tsp milk when you mix the above recipe, the dough can be squeezed through tip 199 (or whatever   one you like) into a patty. Then pipe a tiny rosebud and leaf on each one. I pipe them out on waxed paper on a   cookie sheet and let them air dry a couple of days - however long it takes so they can be picked up easily. This   goes pretty fast except for the drying time. I charge $15. per hundred for these.
     My favorite is buying Guittard's Smooth N Melty Mints. They're mint chocolate flavored and come in little flat   disks. They come in white, pink, etc. or can be tinted with powdered colors or paste in a pinch. I separate them   and pipe a rosebud and leaf on each one. I charge $15. per hundred for these. A pound will usually make 100.
     The other mint I do is melting the Smooth N Melty mints and piping it into chocolate molds. If you get a mold that   has lots of the same pattern on it, it goes pretty fast. Pop them in the freezer and they're done in a few minutes.
     This is probably the most popular with my customers and I charge $20. per hundred. Around here, I do a lot of  cowboy boot mints, fish mints, 50th anniversary mints, and fancy hearts. How many you get per pound depends  on how big the molds are. One can use mint flavored candy coating the same way.
     Hope this helps.     Marie

Author: Debbie
     Subject: Cake Sizes
     Date: Tue Jan 27 22:57:11 1998
     Message:
     I must be one of the few that has not figured this out yet!! What is the actual size of a 1/4 sheet, 1/2 sheet and   full-size sheet cake? I consider a 1/4 sheet to be 9 X 13. Is a 1/2 sheet then two 9 X 13's together? Does a full  size consist of four 9 x 13's? The pans I work with are 9 X 13  and 11 x 15.

Author: Susan
     Subject: Cake size
     Date: Wed Jan 28 00:40:46 1998
     Message:
     Hi. According to my chart a half sheet is 11"x15" and a full sheet is 12"x18". I would assume (which I hate
     doing!!!) that a quarter sheet is 9"x13". Susan

Author: RobinG
     Subject: Cake Sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 01:22:10 1998
     Message:
     Hi Ladies: I always do Dream Whip Cakes or here's what I figure: 1/4 sheet is 9 X 13 - 1-1 1/2 batters- feeds   25-35; 1/3 sheet is 11 X 15 - 2 batters - feeds 35-45; 1/2 sheet is 12 X 18 - 3 batters - feeds 50-60; full sheet is   two 12 X 16 pans (16 X 24) - 6 batters total - feeds 100-110. I figure less servings than Wilton, I want them to  have enough, no matter how they cut.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Cake Sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 02:06:48 1998
     Message:
     hi gals;
     to a degree the jurry is still out on this one :)
     here's what i use:

     12x8 - one mix - serves 12-15 is a 1/4 sheet
     12x16 - two & 1/2 mixes - serves 30-35 is a 1/2 sheet
     2/ 12x16s makes one cake 24x16 - 5 mixes - serves 60-70 is a full sheet.
     these are all single layer (2") cakes that i split and fill.
     and the pieces are appx. 2"x2"x2" cube.

     sometimes, if the decorating will stand it i will make a 2-layer 1/2 sheet instead of the full sheet. according to  wilton charts a 12x16x4 cake serves 108 -- that's the usual 1"x2"x4" piece.
     looking forward to hearing what you older gals base your serving/cake sizes on.      lynne

Author: RobinG
     Subject: Cake Sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 03:20:28 1998
     Message:
     Hi Lynne: Seems the only thing we agreed on is the size of a full sheet :-) -- I always work with 3" deep pans and   then split and fill them, so that's probably why I use 6 batters instead of 5. I never use Wilton as a guide, because   I use my family to judge serving sizes, and 1x2x4 just wouldn't do it for them. 108 servings from a 12x16, --not   my family - we like our cake!!!! I must admit though, most of the time my cakes are very high, sometimes I can't   even close the box completely. Of course, my customers love it, the higher - the better. Let's see what sizes some  of you other ladies come up with!!!

Author: Marie
     Subject: cake sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 13:29:23 1998
     Message:
     Dear Lynne,
     I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. There are no "older" gals, just seasoned ones! ;-D
     Marie *smile*

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: cake sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 23:06:23 1998
     Message:
     as usual marie i was in a hurry when i answered and could not think of any other way to say it.....yes, i did hesitate  and wonder what to say :)   thanks for the smile. lynne

Author: Gracie B
     Subject: Re: Re: Cake Sizes
     Date: Thu Jan 29 19:05:05 1998
     Message:
     So far I haven't figured out what being older/seasoned or whatever has to do with being a decorator. If I'm 50   and just starting out does that mean I know more than a 30 year old that has been decorating for 10 or 12 years.
     Then there is the analogy of if older is seasoned, then younger is 'fresh'.
     I think one of the best ways to tell a more seasoned baker/decorator is his/her reference to so many 'recipes'  instead of x number mixes, and you don't need a jury to compare a good scratch cake and a mix.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Gracie
     Date: Thu Jan 29 22:56:22 1998
     Message:
     I don't think anyone meant those terms "older" or "seasoned" to be derogatory in any manner. I had to smile :) at   both of them because I am older - 57 and seasoned with 34 years of experience, but that doesn't necessarily  mean I am wiser or better than a 16 year old with 1 year of experience. I know Marie very well and I know  Lynne from ICES and we are all just trying to give information and help where we can. We can all learn from one   another and that is what this board is all about. Appreciate and take what you can to help you and give what you   know and feel like will help someone else. That's our ICES motto - Icing, Caring, and Everyone Sharing!! I think  most of us on this board feel that way and sorry that you felt otherwise.

Author: Gracie B.
     Subject: Re: Gracie
     Date: Fri Jan 30 21:01:45 1998
     Message:
     I'm sorry Carolyn, I didn't mean to come across as unfriendly or that I took offense at anything anyone said, I   guess I just didn't reread what I wrote or whatever. I meant no offense or hard feelings.     GB

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Thanks Gracie!
     Date: Fri Jan 30 21:35:03 1998
     Message:
     Apologies accepted. I just didn't want anyone to feel hurt and not want to join in on the fun and experience of   using this board for the learning and entertainment we can all gain from it. It is such an excellent source - I wish I   had had some of this knowledge even 30 years ago!! Most of mine has been earned the hard knocks and trial and  error way, but I've learned a lot in the process!! Hope you will continue to enjoy the board!!!

Author: Sly
     Subject: various sheet sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 07:40:48 1998
     Message:
     Since most of my customers have that "grocery store" sizing chart in their head, they always state they want a   much larger cake than they really need, since they don't understand that my cakes are usually 2 (or 3) times   deeper than the grocery's pathetic single 1" - 1.5" layer. So, they say they want a full sheet cake for 35-45  servings. I usally ask them for the number of servings, and base the size on this. I then tell them, "what you really  need is the same size cake, just 3" or 4" tall, instead of 2".
     For some reason, my customers never think of making a cake "taller" to get more servings, only wider.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: sheet cakes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 10:37:46 1998
     Message:
     I've also seen that people are so used to having to settle for mass produced sheet cakes, they don't, and
     sometimes won't, consider anything else. People insist on sheet cakes for birthday parties, thinking a larger top   surface for decorating means a prettier cake; they don't realize they're missing out on alot of pretty and interesting  side decorations that you can't do on a skinny little sheet.

Author: Jennfier
     Subject: sheet sizes
     Date: Wed Jan 28 10:29:40 1998
     Message:
     I have found there doesn't seem to be any standard for what is a 1/4, 1/2, or full sheet; it varies from bakery to   bakery. I have seen 7 X 11, 8 X 12, and 9 X 13 all called 1/4 sheets. I prefer to avoid the terminology altogether   and list everything by dimensions and number of servings so there is no ambiguity. Your sizes should be   mathematically consistent, at least. For example, if you choose to call the 7 X 11 a 1/4 sheet, then the 11 X 15   would be a 1/2 sheet, and a 22 X 15 a full sheet. If you call a 9 X 13 a 1/4 sheet, then the 1/2 sheet would be a  12 X 18. I wish there was more of an industry standard for these terms, as well as serving size!

Author: Michelle
     Subject: Need recipes for buttercream icing and marshmello icing!!!!
     Date: Tue Jan 27 17:41:39 1998

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: Buttercream Icing
     Date: Tue Jan 27 21:51:28 1998
     Message:
     This is my favorite buttercream recipe.

     1 3/4 cups Crisco
     1/4 cup butter [at ROOM TEMPERATURE...but not melted!]
     2 tablespoons egg white powder*
     1/2 cup warm water
     2 pounds sifted confectioners sugar
     2 teaspoons colorless vanilla
     1 teaspoon butter flavoring

     Cream Crisco and butter in a heavy duty mixer until completely blended and no butter lumps remain.
     Mix the egg white powder and warm water and stir until egg white powder is completely dissolved.
     Add sugar, egg white-water mixture and flavorings to Crisco-butter mixture. Mix at lowest speed until well
     blended, scraping bowl frequently to ensure all ingredients mix well.
     Beat at lowest speed for about 8 to 10 minutes until a smooth, stiff, workable buttercream is produced. If mixture  is too stiff add a few drops of warm water.
     Storage: 3 days at room temperature
     2 weeks refrigerated
     6 months frozen

     *If powdered egg whites are not available [the brand I buy is called JUST WHITES, but most cake supply
     houses sell powdered whites] you can use Meringue Powder.
     I prefer my Mix Master that has two beaters instead of my Kitchen Aid for making icing. The Kitchen Aid beats   too much air into the icing for me....I like my icing as smooth as silk.
     The Marshmellow Icing you are referring to....is if an egg white-type frosting made by pouring a hot syrup mixture  into beaten egg white? If so, let me know and I'll post a recipe for that too. Good luck!
     Jeff Arnett

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Icings
     Date: Wed Jan 28 23:58:50 1998
     Message:
     Scroll back a few pages and there is some excellent recipes listed beginning around the first of December. You'll  have enough to begin your own trial and error and what "you like best" method!

Author: Rita
     Subject: buttercream icing
     Date: Wed Jan 28 18:28:06 1998
     Message:
 
Author: Valerie
     Subject: Buttercream & Marshmellow
     Date: Wed Jan 28 19:13:46 1998
     Message:
     Michelle,
     Here is my favorite Buttercream recipe. It was given to me by a friend who has been doing Weddings for over 20   years. This is fast and simple to make.

     BUTTERCREAM
     2# powdered sugar
     1 c. crisco
     1/2 c. milk
     2 tsp. clear flavorings (I use, Vanilla, Butter and Almond)
     1 tsp. salt (dissolve thoroughly in the milk)

     Dump all ingredients together in large mixing bowl. Mix on low (if Kitchenaid) until very well mixed. Sometimes I   then beat on medium until very smooth.

     If you would like a creamy, off-white color with excellent flavor; Substitute half of the crisco for butter. Use real Vanilla and Almond and half the salf, (if your butter is salted).

     MARSHMELLOW (My favorite is called White Mountain Frosting)
     1/2 cup granulated sugar
     1/4 cup light corn syrup
     2 tbsp. water
     2 egg whites (1/4 c.)
     1 tsp. vanilla (clear, if you want it really white)

     Combine sugar, corn syrup and water in samll saucepan. Cover; heat to rolling boil over medium heat. Remove  cover and boil rapidly, without stirring, to 242 degrees on candy therm. (or until firm ball stage, or strings from   spoon)
     As mixture boils, beat egg whites until stiff peaks form. Pour hot syrup very slowly in thin stream into the beaten   whites, beating constantly on medium speed. Beat on high speed until stiff peaks form; add vanilla during last   minute of beating.
     It sets up fast, so you must work fast. Excellent flavor.
     Wilton also has a recipe that uses the Meringue Powder instead of eggs. You can find it in the yearbook. I have  never tried it though.

     Have fun decorating. 3lbs. powdered sugar
     2 cups crisco
     3/4 cup milk or water (always use milk for purple icing)
     1 1/2 tsp clear extract
     dash of salt
     With electric mixer beat 2 cups crisco at lowest speed for 10 seconds. Sift 2 lbs. of powdered sugar directly into   bowl with crisco mixture. Pour 3/4 cup milk over powdered sugar. Beat for about 2 minutes. Gradually add last   pound of sugar. Add 1 1/2 tsp of clear flavoring and mix.
     For chocolate icing: add 1 1/2 cup Hershey cocoa and 2 TBSP water.
     For Strawberry or fruit flavor: Substitute cold water for 3/4 cup hot water and 3 TBSP disolved jello

Author: Pat
     Subject: sugareggs[panroma eggs]
     Date: Tue Jan 27 15:30:36 1998
     Message:
     I need help in making this how thin are they to be I heard 1/4 in and thiner. How do you make the stand for the ones to stand up out of royal icing. the eggs I am making are about 6inches big any help would be great.

Author: Pat
     Subject: Panorama sugar eggs
     Date: Tue Jan 27 14:40:08 1998
     Message:
     Please help me I am trying to make these for my grandchildren. How thick are they to be I've heard 1/4in. and   then thiner. How do you make the platform out of royal icing? Please can anyone really help me I need to make  quite  a few. Or how do you make any platform I am trying to make them stand up the ones I am trying to make are about 6inches
     How do you keep they from sticking I have tried cornstarch in the mold can I use Pam or will that hurt the sugar  mixture?

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: Panorama sugar eggs
     Date: Tue Jan 27 20:57:50 1998

     Message:
     Hi Pat,
     Maybe I can help out with your questions on the eggs.
     You mentioned them sticking to the forms - that could be a sign the mixture is too damp, because if the mold is  dry and clean the sugar shouldn't stick.
     The sugar should feel damp but not really wet and heavy.
     I usually put mine in the oven (just warmed up and then turned off) for 15 or 20 minutes. When they cool
     completely you can scoop the inside out, down to as thin a wall as you are comfortable with. Let them dry
     completely, like over night, before you do anything else with them.
     After they are totally dry you can pipe a circle of small shells on the bottom and let that dry. If you want to be sure  of the foot being flat and even, pipe the circle and then dry the half right side up on a piece of waxed paper.
     Of course the easiest way to take care of that problem is to get molds that have a flat base to start with.
     When they are totally dry you can put the decorations inside. When those are pretty well set and they will stay in  place, you can put the two halves together with a bead of royal, then let them dry completely again.
     The last step is to trim the outside.
     It is a time consuming process, but a very rewarding one when you see what you have accomplished.
     Good luck with 'em and best wishes to you and those grandkids!
     Holler if you need more help or explanations. I have a tendency at times to be clear as mud.     Mickey

Author: Pat
     Subject: panorama eggs
     Date: Wed Jan 28 10:52:11 1998
     Message:
     Thank You fro your help I am still trying to figure out how to stand them up on one end. I can lay them down but I   like them better standing up as I fell I can do more with them.
     Any ideas.Also can I write NAmes on them and do you think it will stay.

Author: Jackie N/
     Subject: panorama egg base
     Date: Wed Jan 28 15:05:23 1998
     Message:
     Hi Pat!
     I love to do panorama eggs too! When I first started doing them, I found that one of my daughter's toy casserole   dishes was the perfect size for an egg base! As soon as it is popped out of the mold and onto a board, I carefully   scraped out a 'dent' on the top to fit the curve of the finished egg. I suppose it may have been just as easy to leave   it flat and slightly flatten the bottom of the egg...never thought that far! :) Anyway, look around the house...I'm sure   you could find some little dish or container that would work. The base isn't hollowed out-you'll need the weight for   stability!
     For smaller eggs there is actually a candy/sugar mold for egg bases. There are 4 base cavities in the mold, so you   could easily buy one and share it with a friend! :o) In my shop I cut out each mold and sell them for 50 cents a  piece!
     If you can't find 'em in your neck of the woods I'll gladly send you one! :o)     Have fun!     Jackie

Author: Pat
     Subject: panorama eggs
     Date: Wed Jan 28 16:40:43 1998
     Message:
     Thank You so much Jackie great idea I will have to look around we live out at a lake place and there are no big   citys close to us only little towns so will have to do some more looking went to one of the bigger towns today and   found nothing at all. Thanks for your help.

Author: lynne
     Subject: writing on eggs
     Date: Wed Jan 28 23:17:40 1998
     Message:
     well glad to see you got your base ??s answered.
     the only thing left that i have not see addressed is your ? about writing on the eggs. sure you could.....expecially if  you use royal icing.
     if you are not using royal use wiltons class buttercream. it dries almost as hard as royal :)      lynne

Author: Pat
     Subject: Att. Lynn
     Date: Thu Jan 29 10:28:03 1998
     Message:
     ThanK you Lynn For all of your help. Yes I am useing royal icing. This is the frist time I have made these and  there are a group of us there are going to try to do this in March
     that is why I am trying now as I am going to give them to my Grandkids and I have seven of them...... Again thank  you

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Panorama sugar eggs
     Date: Tue Jan 27 22:48:30 1998
     Message:
     hi pat; what a fun project. like mickey said, if the sugar is sticking in your mold, your sugar is too wet. it only takes    a tblsp or maybe two of water to moisten the sugar. if you live in a warm area you could put the just made egg    1/2s out side in the sun and let them dry there for an hour or two before scraping out the damp sugar remaining in    the middle. as for how thin to make them it's up to you. the thinner you get them the more light allowed inside so    the scene is easier to see. if you want them to last forever keep them thicker......less chance of kids squeezing    them into pieces :) don't forget before you dry them to cut one end off for the hole. cover this cut area with a tiny    piece of plastic wrap so it will be easier to scrape away later.
   how many are you making? that's a good size you have chosen to make.
     i started making thses back in '68 using a magazine article and areolsol cans of buttercream icing :)
     the sugar you scrape out can be used in cooking -- especially where you melt it in a liquid (in coffee, etc). yes, it   will get hard, but just chop it as best you can &/or run it thru a food processor. it never will get like it orginally   was, but can still be used.     lynne

Author: Jeanne
     Subject: truffles!
     Date: Tue Jan 27 13:55:25 1998
     Message:
     I am looking for any information on making truffles for Valentine's Day. I am both computor and truffle illiterate so  please write slow.

Author: shirleyr
     Subject: RE:truffles
     Date: Tue Jan 27 14:53:12 1998
     Message:
     Jeanne,     I have an address for you to go to it has all kinds of truffles and chocolate  treats.www2.godiva.com/recipes/recipesaz.html Hope it will help!      shirleyr

Author: Jeanne
     Subject: truffle URL
     Date: Tue Jan 27 16:38:19 1998
     Message:
     Shirley-     having trouble getting to the location....are you sure the URL you gave me is correct? must I type in the http:/ ??     Remember...I'm computer illiterate. :o)     Jeanne

Author: shirleyr
     Subject: Truffles
     Date: Tue Jan 27 17:57:50 1998
     Message:
     Jeane
     yes you do type in http:// before.
     sorry about that!     shirleyr

Author: Sly
     Subject: Corrected url
     Date: Wed Jan 28 07:18:22 1998
     Message:
     I had to drop off the "treats" tag and was able to reach:
     http://www2.godiva.com/recipes/recipesaz.html
     They also have a search feature where you can type in "truffle" or some other word and get a listing of only those  recipes that contain the word.

Author: Sly
     Subject: My Personal , Easy, Versatile Truffle Recipe
     Date: Wed Jan 28 07:25:56 1998

     Message:

     Gourmet Style Chocolate Truffles

     Ingredients: (see flavor variations at the end)
     12 oz semisweet real chocolate, chopped (use a good brand)
     7 TBSP. unsalted butter
     3/4 cup whipping cream

     Directions:
     1. In a heavy saucepan, bring cream to a boil. Turn off burner.
     2. Add chocolate in small amounts while stirring.
     3. Repeat with butter. Stir until all is smooth. Pour into a shallow dish, cover and chill 8 hours or overnight.
     4. Scoop up by teaspoonful and roll into ~1" shape. Mixture should have the texture of soft fudge. (You can use a  "melon baller" or similar device. If you do this by hand, wear plastic gloves, or you'll be a mess when you're  done.)
     5. Roll in nuts, powdered sugar, cocoa, toasted coconut, grated chocolate or sprinkles.
     [6. For use in candy molds, mixture should be soft set in 2 hours. Spoon into mold coated with chocolate coating,   cap with more chocolate coating and chill overnight.]
     Alternate flavor ideas:
     - reduce butter to 6 TBSP., substitute 1/2 cup seedless raspberry jam for cream. (Everyone's favorite!)
     - Add 1-2 TBSP. instant coffee granules to cream.
     - Add 2 TBSP. Amaretto (or Kahlua, Grand Marnier)
     - Add 1-2 tsp. grated orange peel or toasted coconut.

Author: Tracey
     Subject: cake mix recipes on the internet
     Date: Tue Jan 27 13:14:50 1998
     Message:
     Hello everyone. I had posted a message here in response to someone asking for cake mix recipes. I had
     mentioned that I found most of my cake mix recipes on the internet. Since then I have had a few inquiries about   how I did it and made a couple of friends in the process (Hi Dana, Hi Shirley). I thought I should share it with all    of you here.
   I used the search engines (i.e. yahoo, excite, etc.) using the search criteria of "cake mix". You may need to use the  double quotes when searching so the search engine will find text with the two words together. Someone in one of   the postings here had mentioned the site www.cookbooksonline.com as having a lot of recipes. I checked this site  out and it has tons of recipes for cake mixes. You may want to go to this site first. This site has a search engine
     which you can use with the search criteria of "cake mix".
     I hope I explained myself clearly enough. Happy Searching!!!

Author: Rita
     Subject: cake mix
     Date: Thu Jan 29 11:05:17 1998
     Message:
     Thanks for the information. Your explanation was great. I found the recipe I had lost several years ago.
     Rita

Author: Susanna
     Subject: How to stuff a wild decorating bag
     Date: Mon Jan 26 18:59:57 1998

     Message:
     I've read (almost) all the posts here and didn't see this "tip." It's not original with me (I think it's from the Home   Arts web site), but I tried it out and was so "jazzed" that I had to pass it on. It works especially well with small   amounts of a color when it's hard to get it into a bag (or even a parchment) without a lot of
     moving-your-mouth-around-as-if-you-were-feeding-a-baby and it results in much less waste and clean-up. Here's   how: Take a piece of cling-film ("Saran-wrap" or whatever) and lay it on the counter. Scrape your icing onto the   plastic wrap and roll it up like a salami, twisting each end like a piece of salt-water-taffy. Prepare the correct size   bag or parchment with coupler and tip as usual. Snip one end off of the twisty part of the plastic wrap where it   joins the "salami" part, and drop the cut end into the bag. Twist the bag down and squeeze out to decorate as   usual. The plastic squeezes the filling down and empties almost completely, and the clean up is limited to the very   end of the bag and coupler and tip. You can get "full value" out of a minute amount of icing (for tiny details when   you don't need a lot) and it's particularly good for "premium" items when you can't tolerate waste - like when   you're filling hundreds of deviled eggs and can't just "make up" another batch of filling. That was my first use of the   technique and I was forever convinced!

Author: Mindy
     Subject: Re: How to stuff a wild decorating bag
     Date: Mon Jan 26 22:56:49 1998
     Message:
     What's the home arts web site? Does it have cake decorating too?

Author: Susanna
     Subject: Home Arts
     Date: Tue Jan 27 12:34:43 1998
     Message:
     Yes, Home Arts has a number of message boards relating to food and other topics. URL is
     http://homearts.com/cgi-bin/webX. The Food topics include Recipe Exchange, The Bakery (with decorating   forum), Cook's Corner (chef expert answers questions), Diet, and Party Planners. There are also decorating and   personal relationship topics. I "met" Mickey Moore here (hi Mickey!) when I asked for advice on my first attempt   at gum paste. By the way, the birthday cake turned out GREAT for an amateur's first go...pastel peach and cream   roses and white orchids with green ivy cascading on a white cake iced in dark chocolate basketweave - two tier   (12" and 6") double layers torted and filled with choc. mousse. Whew...wish I had a picture! (I do, just not   developed yet.) The "birthday girl" (80!) can't stop talking about it. I was so exhausted I turned down all hints that   I might do this for MONEY! But maybe I'll change my mind...if it had been white it could easily have passed for a   smallish wedding cake. The business aspects put me off... licensing and such. But I really need a good supply  shop in my (L.A.) area...

Author: Susanna Cawley
     Subject: Any Los Angelenos out there?
     Date: Mon Jan 26 18:39:27 1998
     Message:
     Ok, I'm hooked. Would like to join a "Cake Club" in L.A. or at least find a good supply shop. I live in the San   Pedro area and work (alas, not cake related) in Pasadena. Any compadres in those areas would be welcome.     Email me at scawley@citysearch.com.

Author: Tammy
     Subject: Funeral Cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 17:56:31 1998
     Message:
     Hi everybody! I hope some of you can help me. I just had an order for a funeral cake that is need for tomorrow.
     The cake is thawing now, so I have a few hours until I can decorate it. Any suggestions on how to do this? I can't   even think of appropriate wording. It will be an 11x15 sheet. I may just put flowers on it, but I still need a saying!   HELP!!

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Re: Funeral Cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 18:43:50 1998
     Message:
     Dear Tammy
     I don't think that I would put any saying on that type of cake, I would just decorate it prettily and leave it at that,   unless the cake is being brought in by a mourner then I would ask them what would THEY like to have the cake  say.----something like" In memory of SO and SO--???!!?!----Good Luck with this one Tammy!

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Funeral Cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 21:07:06 1998
     Message:
     I don't ever think I have done one for a customer, but have done several for funerals when I felt it necessary to   take food to a close friend's house. I usually do a sheet cake and I have a praying hands mold that I do in either   chocolate (white with flesh coloring) and then do the sleeve part in a pale blue. For the inscription, I usually just  write God Bless You or God Bless Your Family or something of that nature. It is usually very appreciated when  you have taken the time to prepare something like that.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Re: re funeral cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 18:48:44 1998
     Message:
     Dear Tammy,
     Thought of something, ---decorate it like you said and just put on it " In memorium" ----That's the best I can do  for now.

Author: Susan
     Subject: funeral cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 21:02:48 1998
     Message:
     Tammy ,     you could put "In loving memory" Or " (name) lives within our hearts". I never heard of any-one writing something   on a funeral cake before but if that is what they want, I would have them come up with the saying. Since they new  the person better. Good Luck! Susan

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: funeral cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 21:22:27 1998
     Message:
     I have to say, this seems like an odd occasion to order a decorated cake for. I would have had the person
     ordering it be very specific about what they wanted. Although you may not have time, a good source for ideas   would be to look at sympathy cards at the card store, or supermarket. That might help give you some appropriate   symbols, sayings, or bible verses to use. I think I would rather not write a message unless they specified, or  approved it first. What would be appropriate would depend on the circumstances, culture, and religion of the  family.

Author: Sherry V.
     Subject: Re: Funeral Cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 22:39:06 1998
     Message:
     Do you really need a saying, I wonder?
     "The Lord is my Shepherd" is another comforting theme, and one which is appropriate for most, I believe. You   could make a large shepherd's staff (the big cane-looking thing) be the central theme, and arrange your florals   around that. If you have an airbrush, you could put a cloudy blue sky - or a beautiful sunset - in the background.
     You could also accomplish this with a paintbrush. Perhaps some latticework, a gate, for example, could be
     worked in, or used on the sides.
     I agree with the others, though, whatever words you use, I'd run it by the customer first. Perhaps in this difficult   time, they hadn't even thought of it and would appreciate your advice.
     Please let us know how this turns out. I'd consider this one a real honor and excellent experience.  SherryV.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Funeral Cake
     Date: Tue Jan 27 00:45:47 1998
     Message:
     hi; if it's not too late here is what i have done in the past when i did a couple of these. i was able to find out the   loved ones birth year and put 'in loving memonry' alice 1900 - 1998. use lost of flowers and make it nice and  bright. with so much sadness it will help to have a pretty thing to help brighten their day.  lynne

Author: Tammy
     Subject: funeral cake
     Date: Tue Jan 27 08:30:34 1998
     Message:
     Hi! Thanks everybody. I got some of the messages too late, but the ones I did receive in time did help. This cake   was ordered to take to the family's house. What I ended up doing was using a cross stencil in brown, then   airbrushed the background in blue and wrote "In loving memory". Very under stated. Thanks again for the help, I  knew I could count on you all!!!!!

Author: Shannon
     Subject: coconut cake
     Date: Mon Jan 26 14:57:07 1998
     Message:
     Hello everyone! :)
     A few pages back there was a recipe for a 3 day coconut cake. I tried it and it is delicious! I used my own tried   and true yellow cake recipe because I didn't want to spend all that money and the cake part not turn out. My   question is after the three days in the refrigerator how long can the cake be kept at room temperature? To me the   cake was better after sitting out of the refrigerator for 24 hours. I would think it would be safe for 2-3 days at  least. I would appreciate any advise anyone could give.   Thanks!   Shannon

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: cake shows
     Date: Mon Jan 26 13:15:27 1998
     Message:
     I'll be attending and entering my first cake show in March and I have no idea what to do! I have some idea of   what the judges look for, from the show registration package and the article in ACD a few months back.
     Unfortunately, I'll be forced to enter a division that may be a little above me. I've only had two classes and been   decorating for 3 years. I consider myself at an intermediate level, which this show doesn't have, so by their criteria
     I'll be in the advanced division. The categories are novelty/special occasion non-tiered, tiered, buttercream only,   and foreign techniques. I have no idea what category to choose or what kind of cake to do. How on earth do you   decide? I don't know what to do without a specific occasion in mind to do one for. I've never done a cake just to   do one before. I've looked thru all my books a dozen times and I still have no idea. Any advice on how to choose a cake for a show, or shows in general, would be greatly appreciated!
 

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: cake shows
     Date: Mon Jan 26 14:25:46 1998

     Message:
     Hello Jennifer! And welcome to the world of cake competition! I've been competing for about 6 years now, and     love every minute of it! In fact, I've started a cake show in my area which will be held on February 28 in     Lancaster, PA. (this is its third year) Competitions are a great way to improve your skills and challenge yourself.
     First of all, we (my decorating 'buddies')try to enter as many categories on our divisions as we can! The average     number we enter is 3 or 4. Novelty designs can be found on cards, coloring books, or in those 'junk mail' gift     catalogs. Several of my 'big winners' were cakes based on some cute little ceramic figurine or picture I found in     one of those catalogs! Special occasion cakes or tier cake designs may be found almost anywhere-wallpaper     patterns, cards, newspaper clip-art....anywhere! The idea is to use a basic skill you know well, and use it in a     unique way or use it in a basic design that is NOT directly out of a book. I recently won a Best of Professional
     Division for a victorian style stacked tier cake-very 'basic' skills but a original design done well.
     Take the challege to try something new, but don't overextend yourself. It is better to go 'simple and well executed'     than fussy and poorly done! Keep colors natural; color schemes to no more than 3 colors. Use good florist foil     and a heavy board (foamcore is the best) for cakeboards-not aluminum foil! We do our cakes with styrofoam     dummies and royal icing so we can enter our cakes in several shows. Instead of using one big layer if royal icing,   we ice the styro with several thin layers, allowing each one to completely dry before applying the next layer.(we   often lightly sand each layer as well)
     So for starters, I would choose a category-novelty/special occasion- and choose a theme-Christmas cake. And   start designing! We draw up designs and plan out cakes for several days before we start. Start early and work a     little at a time. I know it all sounds overwhelming at first-I was scared stiff my first show! But you will see that    everyone else is pretty much in your shoes and you will learn alot!
     Have a great time and good luck! Start looking thru those coloring books!!     Jackie

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: shows
     Date: Mon Jan 26 17:50:46 1998
     Message:
     Thanks for all the tips! I'm not nervous or anything about the show, since I'm not trying to win or anything. I just    want to see what everyone else is doing, and get some feedback on my work from other decorators (as opposed    to my family and friends who are easily impressed!). One entry will probably be it for me, since its my first show. I    just can't make up my mind what kind of a cake to do. I mean, how do I decide on doing , say a birthday cake,    when it's no one's birthday, or a baby shower cake when there's no baby. Why only 3 colors? I can see for floral    designs, but I do alot of figure piping, which uses several colors sometimes, if there are several different figures to   do, or a scenery. I'm just overwhelmed by all the different possibilities, I can't make a decision. Oh well, maybe I   should just write the names of various types of cakes (child's birthday, adult birthday, shower, wedding, etc) on  pieces of paper and pull one out of a hat! :) Decisions, decisions!

Author: Jackie N/
     Subject: cake shows
     Date: Mon Jan 26 22:28:50 1998
     Message:
     Relax! And make a decision! :0)
     About the 3-colors...from an artistic point of view, more than 3 main colors are distracting-there isn't a focal point.
     When doing figure-piping, you can still have 1 'main' color with two 'accent' colors. Sure, a kid's birthday cake   with a clown & balloons may have several bright colors, but you still choose one color to 'stand out'. It's all about   that artistic balance.
     So remember, this is just a show cake...for a pretend occasion...for the sole purpose of displaying your skills to  others...and maybe winning a ribbon or trophy for your efforts! :0) Have fun!    Jackie

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: cake shows
     Date: Mon Jan 26 16:35:19 1998
     Message:
     oh what fun you are in for! just relax, do your *very best* and enjoy this learning time.
     don't worry about having to be in the advanced catagory. i know when i did my first rolled fondant cake all i could   think of was i would have to compete agains all those gals that wrote the books! but usually they don't enter   contests just because it would keep many very good decorators from praticipating & they have been thru it so   many times.
     as has been said, pick one or two catagories to enter for the first time. after that you can do them all! :)
     make sure you neaten up the board when finished or protect it with thin strips of wax paper that you remove when   you are finished. use pleasing color combinations keeping it limited to 3 colors.........yes white is a color :)
     always think odd #s.....for your flower petals, # of flowers in a grouping, etc. for one of my first contests i
     designed 2 cakes based on cook cutters....a baby rattle and a set of booties cake cut from a 1/2 sheet. that was  about 15 years ago. fun, fun, fun,     lynne

Author: Tammy
     Subject: cake show
     Date: Mon Jan 26 18:02:38 1998
     Message:
     Hi! I don't know if this will help, but maybe since it will be in March, you could do something to do with St.   Patrick's day. That would give you a theme anyway, which would primarily be dealing with green (helping you  narrow down your color choises). Or you could do an Easter theme in pastels. Good Luck!!!!

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: You Go For It Girl!!
     Date: Tue Jan 27 00:11:02 1998
     Message:
     Ah, the thrill of competition! I've been doing it far too many years to mention - competed first in '69 at the state   fair - any of you ever competed there? Good experience - usually more low keyed and at ours I walked off with 3   first place ribbons. I was so excited! Then I found some cake shows to enter - drove almost 500 miles to my first   actual cake show just because I knew the area and won an honorable mention ribbon, but I was thrilled and   determined that I could do better the next time. Each show is so different and the judges make such a difference  too. I always say different entries and different judges would make a completely different show. I organized the   first show held in our area in 1977 and have continued to keep my fingers in it ever since to help it keep going.
     With so many young people working, it is hard to find enough people to run a show. I still love entering, but it is   almost more of a challenge now because my ideas seem to have all been tried by someone else. Some never   enjoy competition, but I have always been competitive from school age right on up in no matter what I was doing.
     I think it improves your work because you are trying harder and it improves your confidence by winning. Of   course, there are others who go the wrong way with this. I have always had the attitude that I can always learn   something from someone else no matter the number of years I have done it. I haven't had many classes because   my schedule has never really allowed it plus the financial part of taking classes seems quite expensive if I go home   and never have the time to do practice it. If you're doing lots of cakes for a business, there just isn't time to do the   gumpaste that is so time consuming. Yes, beautiful and a true art, but what about all the people around the world   now yearning to learn our knowledge of buttercream decorating? We do have a beautiful and tasty form of  decorating.
     As for what category to enter, how about the buttercream? I once entered that in Des Moines, Iowa and did a  3-tier stacked buttercream with simple swags on the sides and cascades of all colors of springy flowers flowing   down the side and curving around the cake clear from the very top. I won first on it. Most everyone else had done   just like buttercream roses or 1 flower. I chose to do every flower I could find in the books in buttercream. I did   them 2 or so weeks ahead of time and they were very firm and easy to work with. Think about the possibilities.
     If you're near Missouri, we're having our cake show March 21 and 22 and you can enter the same cakes you  enter anywhere else - different cakes, different judges. E-mail our registration chairman at mch2@Juno.Com if   you'd like to get a show form. Good luck! It is lots of fun and also a little nerve wracking even for us seasoned  competitors! Staying on top sometimes is not as easy as getting there!

Author: Marie
     Subject: show cake
     Date: Tue Jan 27 23:21:46 1998
     Message:
     Hi!
     Here's your chance! Is there a cake you've always wanted to do, but nobody ever ordered it? Have you noticed a   cute design on a Christmas card or birthday card that you thought would go well on a cake? Cake ideas seem to   be everywhere! In my experience, the judges like to have the cake board at least 2 inches bigger than the cake all   the way around ie: a 16" board for a 12" cake. A nice touch is to find a board covering that exactly matches one   of the colors you're using on the cake. You might finish off the edge of the cake board with a matching or   coordinating ribbon the same width of the edge of the cake board. Make your shells all the same size - stuff like   that - attention to detail. Take your time working on it if possible - throwing it together at the last minute is  extremely stressful (the voice of experience). :-) The most important thing - enjoy yourself!    marie

Author: karen
     Subject: Hard to Fine Cake Topper
     Date: Mon Jan 26 03:46:23 1998
     Message:
     Hello,
     I am looking for a cake topper for my wedding cake that has a bride in a regular wedding dress and a groom in   military uniform (Naval). I saw one at a wedding show, but they would not tell me where to get one. All I want is   the couple not a whole fancy topper, could anyone let me know where to look for this at?
     Thank you

(Sugarcraft carries these...figure ONLY and you buy the tulle, lace, heart, etc and glue it together.

Author: Sherry V.
     Subject: Soccer Ball (yipes?)
     Date: Sun Jan 25 20:24:05 1998
     Message:
     Hi all,
     I will be trying to make the soccer ball tomorrow and it looks hard to get those patterns on right. Anyone have   inside secrets on this?
     Also, they want the fluffy, boiled-typed icing, which I've never decorated with before. [Thank goodness for this   family with 6 kids - they let me practice on them!] Once I get that ball iced, will it crust well enough to transfer the   pattern onto it? How long might that take?
    Any info on this cake and/or working with this type of icing would be appreciated. :)     Sherry V.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Soccer Ball (yipes?)
     Date: Sun Jan 25 23:25:49 1998
     Message:
     hi sherry;
     oh what fun! :) *not!* i've made those so many times i hate them. i made myself a cardboard pattern. you could   use that to mark the cake and fill in with stars. i cut mine from rolled fondant and stick them on. i never get it  perfect :(
     i have a customer that orders 9 to 14 of them once or twice a year. he wants those mini 1/2 balls with each kids   name on it.
     as for your boiled icing......i have only tried that once -- a long time ago. i remember it as *not* setting up enough  to touch ever. maybe i'm wrong....hope someone else has more experience with it will tell us.  lynne

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Soccer Ball Cake (Yikes!)
     Date: Sun Jan 25 23:57:29 1998
     Message:
     What a "sticky" situation!! : ) I just couldn't resist this!
     I don't make a complete round ball. I live in the country on up and down gravel roads and always tell anyone who  wants a stand up cake that I will not do it. I do do a soccer cake that is like a layer 12" round and I bevel the   edges so they are rounded and then I do the soccer pattern on it. I ice all in white, then take the black and do the   pattern. I have enlarged a flat pattern of a ball and use my KopyRite machine to project it down on the cake.     Works great and everyone seems happy with that.

Author: Sherry V.
     Subject: How the soccer ball turned out
     Date: Mon Jan 26 22:19:44 1998
     Message:
     Thanks for your ideas!
     Here's how it went...
     I opted for buttercream instead of the boiled because of the potential coloring (needed dark) as well as transfer   problems. I didn't crumb coat. Then I cut out the little pattern, put a dot of icing on it and started sticking it on the   cake. At each corner of the pattern, I'd put a dot, then I'd remove the pattern and connect the dots. This worked   beautifully and didn't require crusting, etc. This being my first one, and not having a real ball to copy from, I didn't   draw connecting lines between the pentagons, but just filled the area in white. It still looked just like a soccer ball,   and we were all very pleased with the results.
     I also live in the country with lots of hills, so I cut a bit off the bottom to give a flatter, more stable base. I put two   long skewers in, which gave my daugter something to help balance and support the cake with while we drove.
     When we arrived, I simply removed the skewers and used them to touch up the holes they'd made.
    Yippee! It turned out, and now I have some soccer ball experience.     Thanks again!     Sherry V.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: soccer ball
     Date: Tue Jan 27 13:12:52 1998
     Message:
     Thanks for letting us know how it turned out! I haven't done one of these, yet, and I was curious how to deal with   some of the problems you mentioned. That's a great idea, using skewers to hold the cake together, and to the  board. They leave such a small hole; it can be easily repaired on site.
 

Author: lynne
     Subject: wedding colors?
     Date: Sun Jan 25 19:41:27 1998
     Message:
     ok everyone;
     since i'm ready to do a bridal faire i'm wondering what your more popular wedding colors are? what accent color   is requested most? how do you handle those dark requests?
     one of our local wedding dress shops advised me the 'hot' colors this season will be 'ice' (or pastel). any -- green,   blue, pink as long as it is pastel-- one of the reasons i made a cake in robin's egg blue w/peach.
     problem is most of my orders are still! mauve &/or navy blue! my population base is heavy on mexican and  portugese -- they want *color!* not pastels :)
     i want to be 'current' on the latest ideas. but this dress shop sayes this area is always 3-5 years behind in trends.  how would you handle this delima? (sp?)     lynne

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: wedding colors
     Date: Sun Jan 25 19:56:15 1998
     Message:
     Hello!
     Is this your first bridal show? How much space do you have and how many cakes can you display? My average   display consists of 5 or 6 cakes in various sizes and color schemes. Around here, the bridal shows often have a   color theme, so I make at least one cake using that color. Here in PA my colors have been the burgandy, royal   blue, ruby red, black, and forest or hunter green. Mostly I use the dark colors as small accents on base borders   or in other SMALL amounts on the cake...even better is to suggest the bright colors be used in the fresh or silk   floral arrangements on or around the cake. (keep the cake all white or ivory)   I often look in current bridal magazines to see what the upcoming colors will be. I even talk to a local flower shop  sometimes. It's a hard choice to know what to do sometimes...try a bit of both, I say! Good luck and have fun!    Jackie

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: wedding colors
     Date: Sun Jan 25 23:38:08 1998
     Message:
     no jackie this is my third (&4th). i have one a week from today and another a week later. each is a booth of
     10'x10'. we get one 8ft table and can add whatever we want. in the past i have put 8-10 cakes up, but this time   i'm only going to put in 5 or 6.
     one 3 round tiers have just a hint of pink overpiping ruffles (w/bells); 3 tier hearts has burgendy ribbon w/lace   points & gumpaste flowers and medallions; 3 stacked tiers in pale, pale pink overall icing w/multi shade pink roses   & green leaves; then to please those that want color there is one w/red apple blossoms. hope to get a couple   more finished.     lynne

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: wedding colors
     Date: Mon Jan 26 08:15:21 1998
     Message:
     Well, Lynne....sounds to me like you have a wonderful display planned! I don't think I'd worry too much about   what the bridal shop wants...you know your customers better than she does! I'd sure love to see those cakes   myself!
     Anyway, hope you have very successful shows! By the way, how much business DO you generate from these   shows? Our shows cost anywhere from $300-$500 for a booth (sometimes smaller than 10x10!), I'm just a small   in-home business and cannot afford to do many of these. The response to my cake samples and displays are   always incredible, but one year after I had booked a dozen consultations about half of them cancelled! Hmmm.
     Perhaps I need to participate in the more 'upscale' shows where brides can afford ME!
     Any suggestions?    Jackie

Author: Earlene
     Subject: bridal shows
     Date: Mon Jan 26 09:43:27 1998
     Message:
     I also have a bridal show this next weekend. I usually only show a couple cake styles and then have my portfolio  of pictures which is now up to 8 albums (with over 500 8X10's) for them to thumb through.
     My booth is almost always crowded. One of the best caterers in town and I always work side by side and
     coordinate our decorating colors. In fact I must have a double booth space. I put two large round tables with   chairs around them for people to look at the cake books on easels. Tables at the back with the cakes and pictures   hanging from lattice. One table on the front of the booth to serve cake from.
     This is the most upscale bridal show in our area. Two days and lots of people. The main thing they want is to taste   your cake and see examples of your work. I really don't get very many orders from doing these shows. But it   does keep my name out there. I also work from my home and do not do advertizing.
    My schedule stays really full because of referrals from the other wedding businesses in this bridal show. They    know what type of work I do. The type of customer who wants and can afford my style of cakes and they are my    advertizing. I do the Bridal shows to support them. These business representatives always come by for a piece of     cake and to see what we are doing new. They flip through the books if they have time. They talk up my business  in their businesses when they are visiting with the brides. We each promote the other. Referrals is the absolute  best advertizing in any business.

Author: Patricia
     Subject: Bridal Fair
     Date: Mon Jan 26 11:06:36 1998
     Message:
     I'm participating in a Bridal Fair on Tuesday evening. It is very small compared to the ones you are talking about. I   work at a university and this is through the University Fashion Board and only cost $25 for a booth. I have a   3-tiered dummy cake that I've stacked and iced in the basketweave pattern with royal icing. I made a cake topper   using silk roses in light pink with some small white flowers for accent. I'm taking a sheet cake for tasting. I have an   album of wedding cakes I've made and my business cards. I work full-time and do birthday and wedding cakes  out of my home, so I'm very "small-time". I haven't been actively doing cakes for the past year due to some family   problems, but am trying to get back into it. This is my first major effort to get involved again. Wish me luck.:)

Author: lynne
     Subject: bridal faire participation
     Date: Mon Jan 26 11:38:56 1998
     Message:
     hi pat and everyone else;
     bridal shows can be expensive! one i'm doing is costing me $500. for that you get a 1/2 page ad in the booklet   given out; a 10'x10' booth w/one 8 ft table; and a printed list of each bride that registers-- name, address, phone,   wed date and info as to what they may have already ordered (bride has to reg to come in but those w/her don't--   comes about a week after show) this show runs one day from 11-4. in the past (2 yrs) it has been held on super   bowl sunday. we had rather good turnout........about 1500 people. there is a grand prize --usually a trip   (honeymoon). this yr there will be not just one grand prize but somewhat smaller (value wise) hourly prizes. i   always donate one wedding cake value about $125. winner gets choice; any amount over the $125 they pay. i  also give out sample 'tastes' of cake all day long. usually serve about 4-5 1/2 sheet cakes. i have always gotten at    least 4-6 orders from these shows. not that day == but eventually over the year.
     the other one i'm doing is only $25 -- but they do expect me to serve about $125 woth of food as others are   paying $150 for their booth. the town is about 1/2 hour south of here & is smaller. they expect only a couple of   hundred people and the hours are only 1-4. same size booth but certainly not as fancy. this is their 1st show so i   don't expect much except exposure.
     my understanding is the price of booth in these faires is so high because of the cost of advertising it. when you   factor in radio, tv and newspaper it adds up fast. around here newspaper ads are *very* expensive! i can get a   radio ad for $10 a spot (and i can trade-out -- that is give something away in exchange for the radio time); a   business card size ad in paper is about $100.
     hope that helps everyone understand whys and wherefore of bridal shows.     lynne

Author: Shirley W.
     Subject: Decorating tips
     Date: Sun Jan 25 18:40:29 1998
     Message:
     Does anyone have any suggestions on how to straighten decorating tips? I bought a Wilton tipsaver, but it won't  straighten the tips on # 104 and other odd shaped tips.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Decorating tips
     Date: Sun Jan 25 19:16:33 1998
     Message:
     hi shirley;
     my hubby sayes that's why they make *new* tips :)
     even the star tips i have straightened don't work completely right. drives me crazy. once i have bought a tip that  should be it -- right??     lynne

Author: Shirley W
     Subject: tips
     Date: Sun Jan 25 21:11:05 1998
     Message:
     Hi Lynne,
     I got a chuckle out of your response. Your probably right about buying new tips, but they sometimes need  straightening after I only use them a few times. That could get costly. Maybe someone else can help us out.

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: tips
     Date: Mon Jan 26 08:45:21 1998
     Message:
     I got a chuckle out of her response, too! :o)
     I don't think I'll be of much help...my 'method' of staightening odd-shaped is to use an x-acto knife, a kitchen   knife,the needle-nosed pliers, a skewer....you get the idea! I worked several years in a bakery and I know how   we beat those tips. I've learned that for my own home business I had to take more care in washing and storing my   tips...I can't afford to continually replace stuff either! All my tips are washed by hand-yes I hate it-and dried   upright on a towel. Many people use those decorating tip storage boxes to keep tips from becoming damaged...I   use one of those hardware storage units that has a bunch of little clear plastic drawers. Now I hardly ever need to   repair bent tips-except when I drop one and step on it!!! :o)
     Perhaps one of us ingenious decorators will have to invent our OWN tip staightener! :o)     Jackie

Author: Kelly
     Subject: Wedding and Party Cakes out of Cheescake
     Date: Sun Jan 25 12:59:47 1998
     Message:
     Hi has anyone ever done a party or wedding cake made out of cheescake before? I would really appreciate some  info. on this topic. I would assume a cake like this wouldn't have a crust and wonder it it must always be made in  a springform pan. I know there are places that make cheescake wedding cakes in both round and rectangular     shapes, I wonder how they line their pans? I also wonder what type of icing they would use to decorate a cake  that may be prone to sweating due to the consitency of the cake. Any help and recipes would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Cheesecakes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 14:43:39 1998
     Message:
     I don't do these, but if you will scroll back through some of the past notes from this message board, you should be   able to find a whole section about this exact topic. At the bottom of this page, it says "Next Page". Just click on it   and scroll down through until you find it. Message board goes clear back to September and sometimes you can  scroll back pretty fast, other times, it is just too, too slow. Hope this helps.

Author: Marie K
     Subject: cheese cake
     Date: Tue Jan 27 01:41:56 1998

     Message:

     Hi Kelly,
     I've done a few cheesecake weddings. I use the regular New York Cheesecake recipe from "Joy Of
     Cheesecakes" cookbook or the recipe on the box of graham cracker crumbs. Yes, I make the graham cracker or   cookie crusts. One can ice the sides and trim the cheesecake with creamed cheese icing or regular buttercream or   leave it plain. A row of large shells around the top will make a "dam" for toppings like strawberry, cherry or   blueberry and a matching row of shells along the base works well. Or, one can use the sour cream topping found   in some of the cheesecake recipes. Once, I left the cheesecakes plain and had clear glass bowls of different fruit   topping beside the cake for guests to help themselves. I believe I got my large (12") pan and small (6") pans from   Parrish in California. I use the 9" Wilton springform pans. For extra servings, just make more of whatever size you   want. That Wilton floating tier stand works well for cheesecakes - no pillars to contend with. I glue 3 cardboard  circles together with Elmers with the grain of the boards going opposite directions for strength. Then cover with   freezer-type paper and glue ribbon on the edge. This way, the cheesecake is not put directly on the plate so you   don't need so many plates. Can't think of anything else. Hope this helps. :-)     Marie

Author: Kelly
     Subject: Question for Marie
     Date: Tue Jan 27 10:38:49 1998
     Message:
     Hi Marie,   Thanks so much for all the info! What do you line the springform pans with as I am sure you don't just leave the  metal bottom on, or do you just take a knife and carefully turn it out? Thanks for you time!     Kelly

Author: Marie
     Subject: cheesecake
     Date: Tue Jan 27 12:12:02 1998
     Message:
     I have a long bread knife that I loosen the cake from the metal bottom with - then just slide the cake onto the  prepared cake board. Never have had any trouble doing that. The graham cracker crust holds together well.

Author: JILL
     Subject: TIERED CHEESECAKES
     Date: Fri Jan 30 18:48:12 1998
     Message:
     DON'T KNOW IF MY RESPONSE IS TOO LATE TO HELP YOU BUT I HAVE DONE MANY
     CHEESECAKE WEDDING CAKES. THEY ARE MUCH EASIER THAN YOU IMAGINE. ANY
     CHEESECAKE RECIPE WILL DO AND IF YOU NEED ONE I WILL SEND IT TO YOU. TIERED
     SPRINGFORM PANS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FROM CAKE SUPPLY STORES.
     MY SECRET IS TO POUR THE CHEESECAKE MIXTURE INTO A GREASED SPRINGFORM PAN
     WITH A GREASED CIRCLE OF PARCHMENT PAPER LINING THE BOTTOM, BAKE AS DIRECTED.
     WHEN IT IS TIME TO REMOVE THE CAKE FROM THE OVEN I THEN SPRINKLE THE CRUST
     ONTO THE "TOP" OF THE CAKE, PRESS INTO THE CAKE AND COOL COMPLETELY IN THE
     PAN.     THEN, INVERT THE CAKE ONTO CARDBOARD ROUNDS, AND THE "NEW TOP" OF THE CAKE,     WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE BOTTOM, IS PERFECTLY FLAT.
     CHEESECAKES TEND TO SINK IN THE MIDDLE AND THIS PROCEDURE HELPS TO KEEP THE
     CAKES LEVEL.     GOOD LUCK AND PLEASE E-MAIL ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS.     JILL

Author: Kelly
     Subject: Thank You Jill and more questions for you!
     Date: Mon Feb 2 15:04:30 1998
     Message:
     Jill, thanks so much for your very helpful information! Do you completely ice your cheesecakes in buttercream?
     How do you deal with refrigeration? Love the idea about making the top the bottom! I would love some extra  hints, decorating ideas and recipes if you have any to share! Thanks again!

Author: jill
     Subject: Kelly's wedding cake
     Date: Mon Feb 2 22:19:35 1998

     Message:
     Hi Kelly,
     Glad to help. I have done several cheesecake wedding cakes, all different. I have frosted completely the layers,   stacked them (after adding dowels and cardboard rounds, of course) and decorated them like a "traditional"   wedding cake.
     I have also topped each cheesecake layer with "traditional cheesecake fruit", cherries on one, strawberries on the   other, and piped around the fruit, not on the bottom. I would do whatever a customer wanted, EXCEPT USE   CRISCO! (have you seen any of the heated discussions i have been in regarding Crisco?).
     As far as any tips, i probably have lots but am not sure what to say unless you ask more specific questions. If i do
     think of any i will e-mail them to you but always feel free to ask questions. I have been baking a long time and
     would be glad to help.
     As far as refrigeration, i try to keep cakes refrigerated as long as possible. The traditional buttercream frosting
     keeps well, although it would not be my first choice for a frosting on a hot summer day outdoor wedding!
     Best wishes,
     Jill
     Best wishes,
     Jill

Author: Jeannine
     Subject: chocolate cake filling
     Date: Sun Jan 25 11:26:44 1998
     Message:
     I am looking for a recipe for a chocolate cake filling that is very thick and rich, almost fudge-like. Can anyone help     me with this?

Author: Kristiana
     Subject: Chocolate Filling
     Date: Sun Jan 25 12:23:00 1998
     Message:
     1 cans condensed milk
     2 egg yolks
     2 tablespoon butter
     4oz pk semisweet chocolate squares

     Mix Condensed milk,yolks,and butter.Heat in a sauce pan over medium heat . Add the chocolate .Mix until   smooth. Remove from heat. Let cool. Spread on cooled layers

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: Chocolate fillings
     Date: Sun Jan 25 13:17:26 1998

     Message:

     I like to use Ganache FIllings for cakes. I use Semi-Sweet or Milk Chocolate for chocolate cakes and White
     CHocolate to
     fill white or yellow cakes. The recipe is below. Hope this works.

     Ganache Filling
     12 ounces of chocolate of choice [semi-sweet, milk or white]
     1 2/3 cups heavy cream
     1/4 cup butter
     2 tablespoons Cognac, Grand Marinier or Kahluah [optional]

     Chop chocolate to fine pieces. Heat cream just to the boiling point BUT DO NOT BOIL. Add chocloate and   butter.
     Stir until completely melted and smooth. Stir in optional
     liquor.
     Allow to cool to room temperature [several hours]. Whip with a mixer until light and of spreading consistency.
     Storage: 3 days at room temperature
     2 weeks refrigerated [soften over hot water and rewhip]
     6 months frozen [thaw, then warm over hot water and rewhip]

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: another variation
     Date: Sun Jan 25 13:22:30 1998
     Message:
     I forgot this one.
     Praline Ganache
     Follow the above recipe for Semi-sweet or Milk CHocolate Ganache. Add 1/3 cup Praline Paste to the
     chocolate before adding the cream. Proceed according to directions.

     Praline Paste can be purchased from : Maison Glass
     111 East 58th St
     New York NY 10022
     212-755-3316

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: easy filling
     Date: Sun Jan 25 18:26:57 1998
     Message:
     I just discovered a wonderfully rich chocolate-hazelnut filling than can be used for either cakes or candies-Nutella!
     Nutella is a spread made with hazelnuts and chocolate, and can be found in the gourmet or peanut butter sections   at the supermarket. It is very rich, reminiscent of Godiva chocolates. The texture is a little sticky right out of the   jar, but if you whip it or just stir it a little, it will be a good spreadable consistancy. I tried it on a chocolate cake   the other day and served it to my daughter's playgroup (my usual guinea pigs!) and they loved it, particularly my  one friend who was PMS-ing!

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: easy filling
     Date: Mon Jan 26 00:44:38 1998
     Message:
     I have used Nutella, myself, as a filling. I love it! It's not quite as thick as hot fudge but it is similar. It's pretty rich   and you have to like hazelnuts to use it. A word of caution: If you ever taste it there is no turning back. You'll eat   the whole jar. :) :) So I would fill the cake first. :)      Shannon

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Schedule of available classes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 10:38:28 1998
     Message:
     Hi guys,
     Since Dolores is not back to put this info on the classes board , I will send anyone that's interested in these classes   the info on them.--There is a figure modeling class, a sugar doll with period costume, a wedding cake class, a     cake stenciling class, a gumpaste class-- and a few more that I can't remember right now. -all these instructors are     being brought over from the U.K. and they will be having a beginners class so no one that's interested should be     afraid to try. As soon as Dee gets back I will ask her to post the info.
     In the mean time you can e-mail me for further info.( I love taking classes, and will be attending the sugar doll     class, as in some areas that will add anywhere from 35.00 to 300.00 more to the cake--depending on where you   live!)

Author: Jeannine
     Subject: classes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 11:28:26 1998
     Message:
     Mara, where are these classes scheduled to take place? I might be interested if I knew where they were going to    be held.

Author: Terry
     Subject: character cakes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 07:53:34 1998
     Message:
     I have a bakery and have lots of requests for different character cakes as I'm sure most bakeries do. I understand   that it is illegal to freehand decorate the different characters (especially Disney) so I have purchased the kits from  Decopac. These are working out really well (although I do alter their deign/colors a bit).
     Other surrounding bakeries continue to freehand the  characters and I get at least a couple of requests each week to do the same. I refuse to do it and recommend      the Decopac kits. I was wondering what other bakers are doing in their shops towards this problem. When I     baked out of my home I did not worry about it because I did no advertising and it was all very low keyed. Please  let me know how you handle this....Thanks...Terry

Author: Val
     Subject: character cakes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 09:27:28 1998
     Message:
     Terry-if you go back on the message board probably in Dec. it was discussed at lenghth about this problem and     all the legal aspects and "checkers" who come into shops asking for these cakes. Check back there,alot of your   questions will be answered.

Author: Val
     Subject: Illegal cakes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 09:48:54 1998
     Message:
     I looked back and found the postings for illegal cakes on Dec.23. Quite a discussion!!

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Re: Character cakes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 09:59:03 1998

     Message:
     Dear Terry:
     I too have a small shop and people were constantly asking me in the beginning to make "Licensed Characters", I   refused nicely, educated the customer as to why I couldn't and gently steered them to the "Deco-Pacs". One of   the things you could point out to your customer is: The fact that the child will always have a keepsake of his   birthday, it's like getting an extra present; Also,If you like, and if you have the time, money and inclination you   could include--"grab bags" with the same theme as the Deco pac cake--a lot of your suppliers will sell the little    toys separately.( it doesn't have to be anything fancy, maybe a small toy, ring, and some few candies tied in a cello     bag--Just be careful of kids under 3, as you might of noticed, in the bottom of the deco pac boxes there is a     warning label for kids under 3---MAKE SURE YOU USE IT!!) I did have a bit of trouble with people     understanding the why not, and leave my shop saying so and so will do it--then I posted a sign in my shop with an     article about COPYWRITE LAWS-all I had to do is point to it and say--" I will always do my best to make my     customer happy but I will not break the law" This seemed to impress people and boost my integrity; So you may     lose a few but you will be gaining so much more in the long run.     I hope this helps.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: character cakes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 11:32:18 1998

     Message:

     The issue of character cakes is probably the biggest source of frustration for me. I cringe everytime someone says     they're interested in a child's birthday cake because they almost always want a copyrighted character. What's     frustrationg is that people seem to have such a hard time with the concept that they are copyrighted and illegal to     reproduce. Then they try to talk you into making an exception "just this once, who's going to know..." I Try to     explain it to them, and I tell them they could be fined, too, for buying it (I know this probably never happens, but     technically they could be). That usually gets the point across! I don't have a licensed shop, so I can't buy the kits. I     tell them they can buy the plastic figures, or any other small figure or toy, show it to me, and I will design a cake     for them to put them on. I try to do more than a rather plain, quick airbrush job like they could get at the     supermarket. For example, for a friend who wanted Sesame Street, I made a sheet cake with scenery and a train     track, made a train engine and cars cut out of cake, then she put the figures on the train cars and added a candle     It was very cute. Another customer is using Baby Looney Tunes. The party plates have blue sky with clounds and     balloons, along with the characters. So I am making a cake to coordinate-blue background with figure piped     clouds and balloons, then she will add the figures. Meople usually don't like to use the plastic figures, which is why
     they come to you to begin with. But you can be more creative and make a cake that is much cuter and more     unique than the supermarkets do with the same figures. Also, for some characters, you can do something close.     For example, if someone wants Lion King, you can figure pipe lions and a jungle scene, just don't call it LK, for     the Little Mermaid, you can figure pipe an underwater scene with a little mermaid, just a little different and not The  Little Mermaid. Of course, some kids would accept no substitute, but others will.

Subject: Re:Character cakes
     Date: Sun Jan 25 16:43:57 1998
     Message:
     Thanks to all who have responded to my posting. I went
     back and reviewed the Dec.23 discussion and am glad
     that I am not making the shaped/free-handed cakes.
     Now.....one more question and i promise I will let this one
     go.......Do you have to use Decopacs exact instructions when using their kits? I think the cakes decorated with    their products have a lot more potential than what they put into them. Where does everyone stand on this one?

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: decorating with deco pac kits
     Date: Sun Jan 25 20:19:51 1998
     Message:
     Dear Terry:

     I don't think so, I thing the instructions are a suggested way to decorate. I will try to find out for you and let you   know. I do take some liberty myself.   Thanks.......Terry

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: character cakes
     Date: Mon Jan 26 00:54:00 1998
     Message:
     Where do you order these deco pack kits from? I run a fully licenced HOME decorating business. Can home    businesses order these?     Shannon

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Re: character cakes
     Date: Mon Jan 26 01:57:36 1998
     Message:
     hi shannon;
     sorry i don't have their address here. i'm sure someone else will post it. they don't care if it is out of your home or  not it's that license they want. city/county business &/or tax resale # is what's important.  lynne

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Cost of Dowel Rods
     Date: Sun Jan 25 00:57:04 1998
     Message:
     Lynne, is there really that much difference in prices for dowel rods? I am paying 19 cents for the 1/4" dowel rods,   same length, I am sure. I get them at a Lowehr's farm store which sells a little of everything. Wal-Mart is a little    higher at about 29 cents each. You're on the West Coast - right? I am in Missouri (the Midwest). I have tried the    straws - some I bought in bulk at a floral supply place, but was never really comfortable with them. I use a pair of    good pruning shears bought at a floral supply for getting my dowels all the same length. I don't ask for return of   them, of course.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Cost of Dowel Rods
     Date: Sun Jan 25 14:24:56 1998
     Message:
     mornin' carolyn :)     couldn't remember last night how much they cost but knew it was no more than $1. haven't bought any in awhile    so you are prolly right :)     lynne

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: Gumpaste Irises
     Date: Sat Jan 24 18:26:48 1998
     Message:
     Does anyone know how to make an Iris from gum paste? I have a wedding cake coming up in March and the     bride wants roses, lillies and irises in spring colors. I make GP roses, lillies, etc., all the time, but no one has ever     requested irises and I can find an example to follow. I'd like to find a method using the cutters I have rather than     having to ones just for this flower. Any ideas appreciated.     Jeffery Arnett

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: Gumpaste Irises
     Date: Sat Jan 24 20:36:32 1998
     Message:
     Jeff, I've done iris and they can be really pretty. It seems to me they are in one of my flower books and I'll dig it   out and post or send it to you.    mickey

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Simple gumpast Iris
     Date: Sun Jan 25 10:11:27 1998
     Message:
     Dear Jeffery:
     if you have an Orchid cutter, ( Primrose cutters would be better) all you need to do is cut 6 throats in a Iris color.     Dry 3 curved up and 3 curved down. You could make the petals on wires, it would be easier. Then with some     yellow royal icing mark the joins with the yellow royal.--Make sure that you ruffle the edges of the 6 petals.
     With a primrose cutter , after you cut out your petals you will need to separate them with pizza wheel or similar;    Then you proceed the same as with the Orchid throat's. These are very simple directions to making a stylized Iris,   but, they are acceptable since they are not for competion. Most people are not going to scrutinize your flowers   they will all be amazed that you could even make the darn thing look so much like an Iris, and anyway, most  cakes are admired from afar like art(NO CLOSE UPS, MR. DEMILE) :-) I hope this helps.

Author: Bonnie
     Subject: Sugar Cookies
     Date: Sat Jan 24 17:20:57 1998
     Message:
     Does any one have a goodsugar cookie recipe.    Any help would be appreciated.   Thanks

Author: Kris
     Subject: sugar cookie recipe
     Date: Sat Jan 24 18:42:48 1998
     Message:
     Hi Bonnie,     I love this recipe for fool proof sugar cookies.
     3/4 Cup margarine or butter
     1 Cup sugar
     2 eggs
     1/2 tsp. vanilla
     21/2 Cup flour
     1 tsp. baking powder
     1 tsp. salt
     Cream the butter and sugar, add eggs, vanilla and whip well.
     Add dry ingredients. Regrigerate over night. Bake on an ungreased cookie sheet at 400 for 6-8 minutes.

     Glaze for Sugar Cookies
     1 egg white
     1 1/2 Cup confectioners sugar
     1 1/2 T. orange juice or milk
     Food coloring
     Hope this helps Bonnie

Author: Stacy
     Subject: Best Ever Sugar Cookies
     Date: Sat Jan 24 22:47:24 1998
     Message:
     Best Ever Sugar Cookies
     1 cup margarine or butter 4 cups flour
     1 cup confectioners sugar 1 teaspoon baking soda
     1 cup granulated sugar 1 tablespoon cream of tartar
     2 eggs 1 teaspoon salt
     1 teaspoon vanilla extract Additional sugar
     1 cup vegetable oil
     Preheat oven to 375. Cream margarine with sugars. Add eggs and
     vanilla, mix well. Add oil. Mix dry ingredients and add to batter. Roll
     into small balls and then roll into sugar, ( May use colored sugars or sprinkles. (May be necessary to add more   flour for easy handling)
     Place 2 inces apart on ungreased cookie sheets. Flatten with fork
     or glass dipped in sugar, Criss cross tops, sprinkle tops with additional sugar. Bake 10 minutes or until light   golden brown. Cool on wire racks. Store in airtight containers to keep crisp. Baked cookies may be frozen.     (Yield: about 6 dozen) Enjoy!

Author: Elaine
     Subject: Sugar cookies
     Date: Sun Feb 1 14:13:53 1998
     Message:
     Your recipe sounds great. Can it also be used for cookie cutouts?

Author: Val
     Subject: basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 10:27:36 1998
     Message:
     When you do a basketweave design on cakes,do you put a thin base coat of white icing first to prevent the cake   from showing through and how do you keep the design vertical and horizontal? Do you mark it or free style?? I'm  afraid mine will go crooked and I have a wedding cake to do and want opinions on this.

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 10:33:23 1998
     Message:
     Hi Val,     Yes, I do put a light layer on first before I do a basketweave.
     When you put the verticals on, use a straight edge of some sort to get the first ones straight, and then, since you   would only be putting a few on at the time as you work, you should be able to keep them straight. Keeping the   lines close together like they should be will help too.
     Good luck with it - basketweave makes a spectacular cake.     Mickey :> :>

Author: Val
     Subject: Basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 10:48:23 1998
     Message:
     Mickey, thanks for the advice. That will help me alot!! I love this message board and find myself checking it  almost everyday,just like my e-mail!!

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: Basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 11:53:56 1998
     Message:
     Hi Val,      This really is nice. I know when I started working there were few people that I knew to call or ask for help or   advice. My best source was and is my sister, but since she's 450 miles away, the communication was slow and/or   expensive! This really brings us all together.     Mickey

Author: Val
     Subject: Basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 14:14:11 1998
     Message:
     I thank all of you for your help and guidance with my basketweave wedding cake. I will use your techniques and I   appreciate all of you taking your time to write. I have done it before,but was not pleased with the results so this   will help me alot.The cakes are all different sizes on different height clear acrylic stands and have flowers draped  around each one. You may have seen it on the internet. Thanks again.

Author: Susan
     Subject: Basket weave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 22:13:30 1998
     Message:
     Val,     the only thing I didn't see mentioned for your basket weave is the color of your frosting. I always use the same   color frosting to first cover the sides of the cake and then do the basket weave. That way all mistakes are hidden.
     Good luck. I love this forum also. I have been on here for about two months and have enjoyed the learning and  the fun of it. Take care, Susan

Author: lynne
     Subject: color of basketweave
     Date: Sun Jan 25 19:24:12 1998
     Message:
     it's fun to make them two colors, too.
     just did a demo cake for the shop with pale peach uprights and off white weaving, then used robin's egg blue,   peach and ivory flowers on it. so far only hubby has seen it but will have it at the bridal shows i'm doing next week  and the week after that. we'll see what reactions i get.     lynne

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Basketweave
     Date: Mon Jan 26 00:08:54 1998
     Message:
     I do all of my basketweave with usually an 18 or 20 tip. Customers don't know the difference and it is so much   faster for me. I know several who say they charge more for basketweaving, but I think it is just as fast as you are   eliminating marking for swags or whatever side work and then actually doing that work, plus you can put the   columns on and not worry about them lining up. I eyeball most all my sidework and get it pretty straight. With   several weddings in a weekend sometimes, you can't always spend the amount of time you would on a show  cake. I do take lots of pride in my work in wanting it to be as perfect for my customer as if it were my own child's wedding.

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 11:59:46 1998
     Message:
     Basket weave is one of my favorite techniques for wedding cakes, especially those stacked and decorated with  gum paste flowers.
     I ice my cakes first..that way if there are imperfections in the weaving it will not show. Also help the weaving,  which is thick abd heavy, to stay in place.
    I use the triangle marker from the WIlton Diving Set [the one with the big plastic circle] to get the first couple of   lines vertically straight. If you are unsure of yourself, go a head and mark vertical lines on the under coat of icing.
     That way it will be evenly spaced too. But don't worry so much about perfection, a basket isn't usually perfect.
     Strive for realism. Even amateurish weaving usually looks good when trimmed with flowers, etc.
     I vary my teachnique too. Sometimes I use the basket tip for both horizontal and vertical strips. Sometimes I use a   round tip for the vertical line and the basket weave tip for the horizontal, and other times I use a round tip for both   to produce a wicker look. I have even done the weaving at an angle...intersting effect.      Good luck with your project.     Jeff Arnett

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 13:57:14 1998
     Message:
     As the others have said, you definately need a thin coat of icing under the basketweave. This serves serveral   purposes, to give the basketweave something to stick to, to seal in the crumbs, and mask any imperfections. I do   all mine freehand, though my horizontal lines get a little slanted or wobbly sometimes. But as Jeffrey said, it is the   imperfections that make it more realistic. If it's too perfect and uniform it looks like you simply pressed the pattern   into the icing. I also like to combine tips, such as flat with round, ribbed with smooth; star tips also give a nice   effect. Just remember to charge extra for basketweave because it is fairly time consuming, especially if you haven't done it alot. Good luck!

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: basketweave
     Date: Sat Jan 24 17:54:53 1998
     Message:
     hi val;     isn't it *great* to get help that calms your fears almost instantly? :) How great this b oard is!
     i do mine just a bit differently than the others have mentioned. first thing after crumb coating is to do *all* my   upright lines on one tier. to get the spacing right use the tip you are going to use for the weave and mark your   upright lines the width of that tip. ie: tip # 48 -- flat basketweave tip. hold it at the bottom of the cake pointing into   the cake. this gives you the width of the tip. make a mark on either side of the tip. continue all around the cake.
     hopefully it will come out with an even # of uprights. if not you need to do some adjusting to get it to an even #.   that's important to get the weave right. once all the uprights are in place i start at the bottom of the cake piping a   line of icing from one upright over the next, then skip one and continue all around the cake. doing it this way helps   keep the lines from going on a slant as you mentioned -- helps but does not gurentee it! :)    i also like to vary the tips i use, making different combinations. i really like using a plain round tip for the uprights   with a star tip for the weave. play around with it. you'll be surprised how different combinations look.
     if you or anyone else needs further explenation of how i do this, feel free to e-mail: kakeladi@mindinfo.com    lynne

Author: Val
     Subject: basketweave
     Date: Sun Jan 25 09:22:24 1998
     Message:
     Lynne, I found your instructions to be very easy to understand and looks to be fail-proof.I will save all this for   future reference. One small point I'd like to make is--the small imperfections in basketweave, not having it perfect   I could live with but to have my work look amatuerish just because I didn't take time out to practice and learn   from others knowledge, that I couldn't handle. I want to be proud of my work and I could always improve on  certain techniques. So to you and everyone who helped--Thanks a MILLION!!

Author: mickey
     Subject: In general.....
     Date: Sat Jan 24 10:27:18 1998
     Message:
     Hi everybody,
     The posting about moving the stacked cake back a little ways set me to thinking, and while that can at times be  dangerous I do have a comment or two on the whole thing.
     Relax some folks, don't get in such a tizzy. I used to do that and would be an absolute wreck by the time I got a   cake finished/delivered or whatever. It just isn't worth it. If you prepare the cake correctly and move it using  common sense you'll be okay, and so will the cake.
     Of course things happen - I got rear ended one time, and the bride's tier landed upside down, but we made it  through.
     Worrying and fretting won't 'protect' a cake, but taking care to prepare it properly will.
     Anyway, happy baking and decorating - and Enjoy it!
     BTW, we're artists so we're allowed to be a little wacky!    Best wishes,    Mickey

Author: Val
     Subject: Wacky Artist
     Date: Sat Jan 24 14:23:12 1998
     Message:
     I Liked your term of cake decorators being artists. I never quite thought about it in those terms but you are right.
     Only thing ours get eaten and without pictures we have nothing left but a memory!! I had a customer who liked   her cake so well that she wouldn't let anyone cut it. My son wouldn't either and put his cake in the freezer for a  year!! And they say we are the wacky ones!! I say cut and enjoy it. If ya want to keep it--take pictures!!

Author: Vi Eastman
     Subject: Wacky Customers
     Date: Sat Jan 24 14:58:22 1998
     Message:
     I also had a customer who loved the cake of her three kitties done in a realistic manner, that she wouldn't let   anyone eat it, too. I even made the kitty design on a gumpaste plaque that fit on top of the cake, so the whole   design could be removed in one piece. But she STILL wouldn't let her husband or others cut into it for the   birthday party. Her husband had to run to a local grocery store and buy a quickie cake just so they could have   cake at the party! She kept it for 2 years, and finally had to throw it out. But when she heard I had taken   photographs of the cake, she asked for an 8" x 10" photo, and she has had that hanging in her kitchen for the past  6 years now! Definitely out of the ordinary.

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Sugar Artist in general!
     Date: Sat Jan 24 15:18:23 1998
    Message:
     Dear Mickey and others:
     I've always said that sugar art is a living art, art that changes and evolves from person to person. But I do have   one better, we are not only "sugar artist" we are architects (when we design tall, tierd cakes), carpenters (when   we build our own boards and supports), designers ( when we can execute a design that's in the customers head),   cooks ( when we bake a most outstanding cake) and best friend/councelor ( when we have to step in between the   customer and the family--ie: during wedding season)all rolled into 1. I wouldn't change it for the world. This is one   of the jobs that let's me be creative and get paid at the same time.( I know there are others but I'm too satisfied to  find out)

Author: Marie K.
     Subject: Sugar Artists
     Date: Sat Jan 24 17:23:13 1998
     Message:
     My daughter is a senior this year and has been filling out piles of papers, applying to colleges, student aid etc. In   the blank for mother's occupation, she has been putting "culinary artist." After reading that, I believe I'm standing a  little straighter and feeling a little perkier. ;^)

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Sugar Artists
     Date: Sat Jan 24 18:00:46 1998
     Message:
     oh how sweet! you are so luck to have a daughter that appreciates what you do. niether of mine would ever  concider any such thing.   lynne

Author: T.Leech
     Subject: Moist cookie secret
     Date: Sat Jan 24 03:13:04 1998
     Message:
     Does anybody have a secret ingredient that they use for moist cookies, like adding sour cream to the batch?   Thanks.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Moist Cookies
     Date: Sat Jan 24 04:03:00 1998
     Message:
     If you have never tried cookies with honey in them, do try some as they are the BEST. I'm not a honey fan, but I am surely sold on honey cookies for that reason as I like soft cookies. There are actual honey cookbooks dedicated to baking.

Author: Val
     Subject: soft cookies
     Date: Sat Jan 24 14:27:34 1998
     Message:
     When the Soft Batch cookies came onto the market , there were some home recipes that contained glycerin to copy them. I don't have the recipe but they were supposed to stay soft.

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Glycerine?
     Date: Sat Jan 24 19:13:33 1998
     Message:
     Didn't I just read recently on this board that glycerin and corn syrup are nearly the same thing?

Author: Val
     Subject: glycerin
     Date: Sun Jan 25 09:36:06 1998
     Message:
     Yep, you did read that and I bet you get the same results with corn syrup or glycerin!!

Author: Carolyn
     Subject: Another suggestion
     Date: Sat Jan 24 13:32:18 1998
     Message:
     I was sorting some stuff and ran across this suggestion this morning - add 1 Tablespoon of corn syrup to 2-3# of   flour used in cookie recipe. Maybe this does the same thing that honey does. I really don't know, but if you are trying ideas, you may want to check it out and in turn, please let us know the results!! Thanks.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Moist cookie secret
     Date: Sat Jan 24 18:11:06 1998
     Message:
     you know nice moist cookies can be made *without*! changing your recipe. just *under* bake them. most   cookies are overbaked. there are two ways to underbake them..........turn the oven down a bit and/or take them
     *out of the oven* minutes before the time stated to bake them. if the time sayes 7-10 minutes i'd bake them only 5 or 6.
     this is another idea you might want to experiment with.
     let us know what your results are.     lynne

From Dolores....Lynn is SO right! ...Everytime our cookies are dry and hard at the shop, its simply because we left them in the oven too long. Most cookies shouldn't get very brown at all...only a tint.

Author: Kris
     Subject: Moist Cookies ( oatmeal )
     Date: Sat Jan 24 18:52:09 1998
     Message:
     This recipe is my grandmother's. These are by far and away the most moist cookies I have ever had. My family  loves them.
     Oatmeal Cookies
     1 Cup butter
     1/4 Cup sugar
     3/4 Cup brown sugar
     2 eggs
     1 1/4 Cup flour
     1 tsp. baking soda
     1 small pkg. instant vanilla pudding
     3 1/2 Cup instant oats
     Cream your butter and sugars, add eggs, and vanilla. Whip well. Add your dry ingredients, ending with the oats.
     Bake at 375 for 8 min.     Enjoy!!!

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: Methods to ice a cake
     Date: Fri Jan 23 23:02:09 1998
     Message:
     I am constanly trying to find new and better ways of handling cake decorating chores.
     Recently I purchased one of those #279 cake icer tips and a 20" bag. I haven;t used it yet and was wondering  what other decorators have to say about this method vs traditional spatula techniques for icing/smoothing cakes.
     What's your smoothing method. I used the hot water/spatula method. I never really liked the paper towel
     method...never could get it as smooth as I like.
     I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Thanks.     Jeff Arnett

Author: RobinG
     Subject: Decorating Methods
     Date: Fri Jan 23 23:10:53 1998
     Message:
     Jeff: The cake icer tube helps get a more even layer of icing on the cake, but you still have to smooth with a  spatula. I still put a thin layer of icing first & then a second thin layer and smooth. I have a very light touch so I really have no problem, I use the small spatula on the sides and the large one on top.
     How about putting a piece of parchment on the frosted cake & using a fondant smoother, after the icing crusts, of  course.

Author: Shannon
     Subject: Re: Decorating Methods
     Date: Sat Jan 24 03:14:49 1998
     Message:
     That's a great idea, using the fondant smoother with the parchment paper. I have always just used a spatula or my   hand and have never gotten it quite as smooth as I've wanted it. I think that is going to be my next purchase :)
     BTW My method for icing is the same as Lynne's. The scraper I have now is plastic but the metal ones are better.  They usually have a smoother edge.     Shannon :)

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Methods to ice a cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 01:36:13 1998
     Message:
     hi jeff;
     wouldn't be w/o the quick icer! much easier......much less time spent.
     the trick to icing quickly is having freshly made icing just the right consistency.........soft, but not to soft.
     i find a 20" bag just too big. prefere 16 or 18. once you have icing on the cake you do have to 'smooth' it. i use a  commericial 'blade'......don't know really what it is called....maybe a scraper, but it is metal not plastic. it is about   4 1/2" high , about 2 1/2 -3" wide. hold it much as one would a spatula except it dosn't have a handle. turn the   turntable one *complete turn w/o stopping* and the cake is ready! sometimes, if the icing has started to airate  (sp?) it will take using something to finish smoothing--ie: paper towel/non-woven interfacing/parchment/waxed paper.
     today i iced 16", 10" and 6" tiers in about 8 minutes -- that's a bit slow, but icing was *not* my usual recipe. they  were 'dummies' i'm making for display in my shop so i used wilton's class icing. getting it just to the right consistency i like was a problem :)     lynne

Author: Connie
     Subject: Re: Methods to ice a cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 02:08:21 1998
     Message:
     Jeff'     I really like the quick icer tip but I use it with the 16" bag and then I use a turntable with a large metal spatula and  it's smooth with one full turn.

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: Methods to ice a cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 10:08:43 1998
     Message:
     Morning all,
     I think this is one of those subjective subjects - no right or wrong answer but whatever works best for you. I've always used small and large offset spatulas.
     A 'funny' from times past. I always suggest offset spatulas to students, and one came to class with straight ones.  She reported that the clerk in the cake shop said the offset ones were too hard to use, since it put your hand  down on the top of the cake, - --\__ instead of _____/---
     On the subject of spatulas, make sure you buy good ones, Some of the cheaper ones are very limber, and just  won't work very well.     Happy decorating!     Mickey :> :>

Author: Tami
     Subject: re:Icing a Cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 11:23:52 1998
     Message:
     Jeff,     Believe it or not, I use a putty knife to help smooth.
     One of the large ones. It's longer than my large spatula
     and just as easy to use, but I do only use in on the top.
     I also use a non-textured paper towel for the sides, the trick is to use it when the icing has just dried enough to   touch, about 3 or 4 minutes, if the icings too dry, the results are awful.
     With all the replys, you'll have lots of new ways to try.     Good luck!     Tami

Author: MaraTLee
     Subject: Methods of icing cake smooth
     Date: Sun Jan 25 10:24:19 1998
     Message:
     Hi guys:
     Here is my method, it's strange but it's fast and when you get used to it, it's super easy -especially when you have   a ton of cakes to do. I use classic buttercream recipes and use cake rings in assorted sizes. The sizes they don't sell, I have made. I use a cake ring 1" larger than my cake then pipe a thin layer of icing all around the inside of the   ring; Place it on a board the same size as the ring, place the layer of cake inside, use a bag to fill in all the holes,   make my dam, use my filling, lay another layer of cake on top, ice the top, smooth with a large spatula. Place   whole thing in freezer to let the icing freeze, remove, Hit the ring with a portable butane torch (very lightly) the ring   slips off and I have a perfectly smooth, with perfect right angles cake. I train my staff to do it like this because it   takes to long for them to do it the other way and they will spend "hours" to work smooth, as they gain confidence,  they learn new tech.( It's a lot simpler than it sounds actually!)
: lisa wenneman
     Subject: icing
     Date: Fri Jan 23 22:15:19 1998
     Message:
     Hi, I have purchased several cakes from sugar craft for different occassions and I have been very pleased. I have  however tried different icings and prefer the one that is not as sweet and that you have to refrigerate but the last  time that I ordered that it was not the same as the time before and when I ordered this last cake I was not sure which it was that I like so well and they explained the difference but neither one seemed to be correct. One of the  ladies that makes the cakes her daughter waited on me and let me try one of the icings that she likes very much  and that is the one that I ordered and it was very good but the last time I ordered it was like Krogers icing which i  do not like. Please help me figure out which one it is that i want so that my cake is exactly what i order. thenk you  very much.

Author: Jeannine
     Subject: cake mix recipe
     Date: Fri Jan 23 22:06:59 1998
     Message:
     I am looking for a recipe to make cake doughnuts from a cake mix, i.e., cherry chip, sour cream etc. Can anyone  help me with this? Thanks.

Author: Connie
     Subject: Wedding cake problem
     Date: Thu Jan 22 23:17:17 1998
     Message:
     I have a wedding cake coming up that's 5 tiers,One8" seperated by the crystal clear spiked set then a 10" and 12"   thats stacked and then seperated by the spiked pillars with the base of the cake being a stacked 14" and 16". I   have a 10 mile up and down hill journey to the reception hall. How can I put a center dowel in the 2 stacked  cakes (I don't want them to shift) if I'm using the spiked set? I don't want to use cardboard circle's between the  stacked layers because I'm afraid the weight of the cake will push through the cardboards. Any suggestions would  be greatly appreciated.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Wedding cake problem
     Date: Thu Jan 22 23:37:21 1998
     Message:
     connie, connie, connie :(
     you *must* use cake circles between the stacked tiers with support under them.
     you do *not* put the tiers together until you are at the reception.
     in other words: make/stack any tiers that are together. place your pillars but do not have the tier on top of the  pillars.
     if you have your cake done the night before the icing will have time to set up enough to hold those stacked tiers   together for the 10 mile trip. Or at least have it done early in the morning for evening delivery. another help if you   have room is to chill those layers stacked. cold icing is harder than warm and will hold the two cakes together.    lynne

Author: Val
     Subject: traveling cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 14:32:26 1998
     Message:
     I lay a piece of new carpet pad in the vehicle I'm transporting my cakes in. Set the cakes on it and it keeps them from sliding as it is real "grippy". Space them out on the pad. I keep a piece of this just for that purpose.

Author: Connie
     Subject: Stacked Wedding Cake
     Date: Fri Jan 23 00:28:18 1998
     Message:
     Thanks for the advice. My main concern was the stacked cakes sliding apart during the trip. I will be using a  plastic separater between the l6" cake and the 14" cake because I am concerned that cardboard will not support the weight of the 12" and 10" stack on the tier above.
     Normally I would use a cardboard circle with a dowel thru the stack to prevent them from shifting and I don't  want to drill a hole thru the plastic separater plate if I can avoid it.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Stacked Wedding Cake
     Date: Fri Jan 23 01:48:26 1998
     Message:
     cake circles -- those sold in shops will support the weight if you properly support the tiers with dowels, straws or   jacks. don't try to make your own boards by cutting up a box or such.
     the seperator plates is another good choice. again, supporting them w/dowels or whatever is important. i have   transported many a cake as much as 300 + miles with no problem. the main thing i feel is giving it time to 'dry' or   set up which means letting the icing harden. this time of year there should not be a problem. if it was middle of  summer with high heat then there might be some concern.  let us know how it all goes.  lynne

Author: Julia
     Subject: Re: Re: Stacked Wedding Cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 17:28:15 1998
     Message:
     When people talk about supporting stacked tiers with dowels, straws, or jacks, I'm not sure if they mean regular  drinking straws, or the hollow, plastic dowels on the market? Can regular drinking straws be used? Also, what are  jacks? Thanks.

Author: lynne
     Subject: Re: Re: Re: Stacked Wedding Cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 19:17:54 1998
     Message:
     hi julia;
     straws: regular plastic soda straws used for soft drinks in take out resturants! yes they do work. tho i'd hesitate to  use them in the bottom tier of a 5 or 6 tier cake :)
    dowels: usually referes to 1/4" to 3/8" round 'sticks' that can be purchased at hardware/lumber/craft stores. they   usually come in 3' lengths for about $1or $2. these are then cut with a saw into lengths as needed. take one dowel  and insert it into your cake and mark it level with cake. remove and cut all needed to this same length. usually 6-8  are used in the bottome tier, then 4-6 in each tier progressing up.
     the hollow plastic 'dowels' (simular to a pillar) are useable also. very good. these can be cut to length. problem i   found is getting them cut completely straight. even with a miter box it was not possible.
     test to know if dowel is cut straight -- does it stand alone straight up and down?
     jacks: at ices a number of yrs ago, a lady had 'perfected' a plastic rod (about the diamator of a thin pencil) that  had a screw head in it. the ideas was all cakes (even tho leveled) do not come out completely the same height   each and every time so all you had to do was adjust the screw until you had all the 'jacks' level. problems was   getting them back. at about $1 ea it got expensive. their answer was to charge more for the cake and not worry   about getting them back. well i didn't always use them so i never knew when to charge extra :) besides i don't like  to have to pay for something to be thrown out when it can be re-used over and over.      hope that explains it plain as mud :)     lynne

Author: Sherry V.
     Subject: Re: Wedding cake problem
     Date: Fri Jan 23 07:40:14 1998
     Message:
     Connie,
     I certainly have no expertise in this size and complexity of cake, but I do have a thought about the transportation. I   don't know what type of vehicle you'll be using, but is it possible for someone else to drive, and for you to   "babysit" the cakes? If I can, I get someone to drive so I can hold on my lap the one I'm most concerned about,   supporting and acting as a sort of "shock absorber." You have two stacks...will they be in the back of a van?
     Could you ride back there with the cakes? I feel safer doing this, knowing I could at least catch a problem before   it could turn disaster. And Lynn's right - I'd make sure that cake was cold, cold, cold....goosebumpy even. :)
     BTW, this cake sounds huge; how many servings is it?
     Best wishes, and don't forget to let us know how it goes!     Sherry V.

Author: Connie
     Subject: Wedding cake
     Date: Fri Jan 23 22:12:25 1998
     Message:
     Hi Sherry,
     Yes,this is a large cake and it will also have 2-16" satellite cakes that are going with it,so it should serve around   470 people.To answer you guestion about the kind of vehicle I'll be using I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee so   there's plenty of room for this cake. I had planned to have my husband drive while my son sat in front with the 8"  cake while I sat in the back with the 2 stacked cakes and 2 satellite cakes but my concerns were because I have   done cakes this big before but I've either used the dowel&pillar and/or stacked method or just the spiked   pillars.I've never done a spiked and stacked combination before and was afraid to put cardboard cake circles  between the stacked layers like I usually do because I thought the excessive weight of the cake would cause the  pillars to pierce or warp the cardboard after I assembled it at the reception.So I decided on plastic plates instead  for more support but then I couldn't use a center dowel because of the plastic seperator plates unless I drilled a  hole in them.I guess the whole problem is can I get away with not using a center dowel without having the cakes  shift during transport?

Author: lynne
     Subject: re:center dowel
     Date: Fri Jan 23 22:32:29 1998
     Message:
     yes connie you can. in fact if dolores was around she would be scolding you for even thinking of using it. she   thinks it comprimises your cakeboard to begin with. since i have used a center dowel method to transport many cakes and never had any problems i guess i really don't agree with dolores on this one :)
     lynne

Author: RobinG
     Subject: Wedding Cake
     Date: Fri Jan 23 22:54:22 1998
     Message:
     Connie: When I do a huge cake like this, your 14" & 16" should have cardboard between the layers, but make   sure your 16" has at least 4-6 dowels in it - and the same with your 10" & 12" layers, the 12" should have 4-6   dowels in it.
     This gives your bottom layers support & keeps it from bulging out on the sides. I then put a single dowel through   the center of each, through the cardboard, so it won't shift. The 8" is in one box, the 10" & 12" is already together   in another box, and the 14" & 16" in already together in the third box. I even place the spiked pillars into the   cakes & all you have to do then, is sit the plates on the pillars when you get there. With all this good advise from  everyone, I'm sure you'll be fine!

Author: Jeffery Arnett
     Subject: A GREAT idea about stacking cakes.
     Date: Fri Jan 23 22:55:01 1998
     Message:
     I used to worry about the same thing. Now, when I do a stacked cake, I do it the easy way.
     I purchased several of the one-plate divider systems that are common these days. The particluar one I use is the   Easy To Use Trimmable Pillar Set, found on page 71 [item D] of the Maid of Scandanavia Sweet Celebrations   Catalog [call 1-800-328-6722 for a catalog if you don't have this one].
     This set is a single plate with four of the push-in type pillars that are very slender and cut easily to any length with a   serrated kitchen knife, though I bought an inexpensie miter box at the hardware store to do this with.
     To stack a cake, ice the lower tier. Using a plate of the same size as the upper tier of the stack, press the pillar  projections into the cake to mark the location of the pillars.
     Ice the cake on the same size plate. Using a large wooden skewer [like those you buy at the grocery for kabobs]   or a long thin dowel, insert the skewer into the bottom layer to find the lowest point. Cut the four pillars to this   exact length.
    I usually chill both layers before stacking. Attach the pillars to the plate, center over the projection marks and   release. THe pillars will sink into the cake and come to rest on the bottom plate.....the results...a perfectly   supported stacked cake.
     THe plates can be reused. I usually keep a supply of pillars [4 for about $3.00] and just add their cost to that of   the cake. No center dowel is needed and I have never had any problems moving a cake such as this. I have taken  cakes as far as 200 miles without incident. Hope this helps.     Jeff Arnett

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: Wedding cake problem
     Date: Sat Jan 24 09:49:56 1998
     Message:
     Hi,
     If you wrap or cover the cardboard round so it will not absorb moisture, and dowel the lower tier of each set,   they should not sink one in the other. Be sure the upper layer of each set is on the suface and not even slightly above the lower one, and they should not move.
     If you have the cakes really cold, you could run in to a sweating situation, and that could add to the cakes possibly  moving.
     Let your hubby drive, and you ride and chat with him. If you try to hold a cake, if it does try to go somewhere you  could do more damage trying to hold it than if it were sitting on the carpeting. I have baked and delivered cakes  for 30+ years and have never had major problems with moving them.    Like I mentioned several pages back, I use plastic straws cut to length for 'dowels' and they work extremely well!    Good luck,     Mickey :> :>

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: RE: stacked cake
     Date: Sat Jan 24 22:32:49 1998
     Message:
     Well, Ladies....you are all braver than I! I live on a mountain...getting a cake out of my driveway is a challenge, let   alone off the mountain!! I NEVER, NEVER transport a cake stacked!!!! (I've learned the hard way-and yes, I've tried most all of the stated suggestions) All my cakes are decorated individually on plasic plates. I use the  cakejacks for support (and don't seem to have much trouble having them returned-lucky me). Cakes that are to  be stacked do not have a bottom border and are placed on plates only an inch larger than the cake size.(i.e. a 8"  cake on a 9" plate)At the reception I set up the cake and pipe the final base borders. With the 1" size difference,  the base border covers the edge of the plate. This method eliminates certain decorating styles, and requires some  extra time at the reception site, but all in all, it is worth the extra effort.   Good luck!     Jackie

Author: Margaret
     Subject: Buttercream or whipped?
     Date: Thu Jan 22 20:12:27 1998
     Message:
     Which is the sweetest? Customer is not sure which one she wants, all she knows is she doesn't want a real sweet   frosting on her cake.     Thanks Margaret

Author: Roshelle
     Subject: Buttercream or Whipped
     Date: Thu Jan 22 21:30:20 1998
     Message:
     Like lynne stated earlier, I think it's a matter of personal taste. I have found that snow white buttercream is not as   rich and sweet as the buttercream that uses butter and/or butter flavored shortening (my personal taste). You   might go down to your local grocery where they make the whipped icing and ask if you can taste it. Also, if you  don't want to make it, I have in the past bought just the icing premade from the grocery/bakery in a tub (just had  to call a day or so ahead of time so they would have it made). It was so much more convenient. I don't get much  call for whipped icing, so it was just easier that way. Just some ideas. Good luck!!!

Author: Val
     Subject: Whipped?
     Date: Sat Jan 24 10:44:15 1998
     Message:
     Is this whipped icing like the marshmallowy creme type you find on the ice cream cakes from Dairy Queen?

Author: Roshelle
     Subject: Whipped Cream Icing
     Date: Sat Jan 24 12:19:37 1998
     Message:
     I've never had any of the whipped cream icing from Dairy Queen, I don't know where you are from or if they   have these grocery stores in your area, but Kroger and Albertson's is where you can find it around here. I don't   remember it having a marshmellow taste, I just remember that it melted so easily, and you had to keep it really  cool. It was good, but I don't really like to deal with it because I don't have enought space to keep the cake in my  refrigerator when it's completed.

Author: Margaret
     Subject: Store
     Date: Sat Jan 24 15:42:41 1998
     Message:
     I tried the Kroger here in town, but they said they can't sell it to me, but I will check with ALbertons and Winn  Dixie,     Thanks Margaret

Author: Margaret
     Subject: Not sure
     Date: Sat Jan 24 15:40:11 1998
     Message:
     I am not real sure, never had that kind , all I know is she wants the kind the stores use and I asked the store bakery here in town & the told me that aren't allowed to sell their frosting

Author: RobinG
     Subject: Buttercream or Whipped
     Date: Fri Jan 23 23:02:20 1998
     Message:
     Hi Margaret:
     Since buttercream is made mostly with sugar & shortening I personally feel buttercream is definitely sweeter.
     Whipped cream is less sweet, but has to be refrigerated so that has to be a consideration also.
     Most of my customers prefer the whipped, but I do use the non-dairy whipped cream as opposed to the heavy cream because it holds up & is much easier to work with.     Good luck, whichever one you decide on.

Author: Jennifer
     Subject: which is sweeter
     Date: Sat Jan 24 01:54:07 1998
     Message:
     Buttercream icing is sweeter and richer by far than whipped cream icing. I've never had the commercial non-dairy   whipped icings, other than Cool Whip, so I don't know about them. However, many people have the  misconception that whipped cream is much less fattening that buttercream because it isn't as rich and has a lighter   consistency, which it isn't. Whipped cream made with heavy cream has about 40 g of fat per cup, my buttercream  has about 50 g per cup. The buttercream does have more sugar, but they're not really that different. Whipped cream is definately not "light" in terms of calories!

Author: Janet
     Subject: 2" cake layers
     Date: Thu Jan 22 19:06:21 1998
     Message:
     I have not been decorating for a very long time. I have recently made a couple of wedding cakes and both times   had trouble getting my layers to bake up the full 2" height without being very coarse or else cracking, collapsing of  being overly browned and dried out.
     I've tried those metallic cloth strips, but the layer still weren't full height. This makes it hard to get the layers   leveled perfectly flat ( I have one of those saw-type levelers) without having to make the layer more thin than I  want. I use Duncan-Hines mixes prepared as per their instructions.
     Soes anyone know a better way of doing this? Any additives or other suggestions to get high, moist, evenly baked layers will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.    Janet Mills

Author: Tami
     Subject: Re: 2"cake layers
     Date: Thu Jan 22 20:35:44 1998
     Message:
     I use the instruction section in the back of the Wilton   Yearbooks. For each size of layer, it gives the number of   cups to put in the pan. I use that is they always rise to  their full height. Be sure to use the correct baking temp.   and time (test for doneness) as the bigger pans cook at   a reduced temp. For a all the mixes I use a 1/4 Cup   flour and 1 egg added to each mix for a firmer cake.
     I haven't had a problem with cracking, but I use a different   commercial mix. I do level my cakes after they've cooled  fifteem minutes while they are still in the pan. But I  use dental floss (I use this to torte too).
     Hope this helps. Tami

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: Re: 2"cake layers
     Date: Thu Jan 22 20:53:04 1998
     Message:
     Hi,
     Do you use the butter or oil mixes. I prefer the butter mixes and I use Betty Crocker. The work very well for me   and handle easily. I think the butter mixes give a better, firmer texture.
     Do you use a core when you bake larger layers - if not try it with your next one and see if that helps. You can buy   the cores or make your own - small metal juice cans or even soup cans work well. After the cake cools you can   take the cake piece out of the core and just put it in the cake center.
     Check your oven temp too. If it's a bit hot your baking time could be off. I've seen ovens off by 50 degrees or   more. Can really make a difference.    Hope this helps a tad.     mickey :>)

Author: Val
     Subject: cake cores
     Date: Fri Jan 23 00:23:59 1998
     Message:
     Mickey,
     Could you explain the core method you described? I'm not sure what you mean or how to use a soup can. Do  you cut both ends out and place it in the middle of the cake?

Author: Sly
     Subject: flower nail as a baking core
     Date: Fri Jan 23 07:23:55 1998
     Message:
     For 2" deep pans under 14" you can also use a flower nail as a baking core. Just grease & flour it and invert it into  the center of your pan.
     This leaves only a small hole when you remove it after baking, and there's no "plug" you have to piece back in.

Author: mickey
     Subject: Re: cake cores
     Date: Sat Jan 24 09:29:04 1998
     Message:
     Hi,
     Sorry I didn't explain myself. I have the bad habit sometimes of being clear as mud!
     Take both ends out of the can, wash it well. I don't grease it so the cake core is the same height as the rest of the  layer. If you grease it the batter can't hold on to the sides as will give you that notorious 'rounding' we try to avoid.
     Really it's the same principle as not greasing the sides of cake pans.
     You don't have to put as much batter in the core or it will rise over the top.
     Sometimes when I want to cut the number of servings but retain tier size, I use up to a 6 inch pan wall in the center  and leave it empty.
     I hope this helps you out. Just holler if I didn't make it clear.     Happy baking all,     Mickey :> :>

Author: Val
     Subject: Cake cores
     Date: Sat Jan 24 09:59:19 1998
     Message:
     Mickey,
     Thanks for the explanation. I understand alot better,but a few more questions.. Is the idea of this to have less  amount of cake?? Then what do you put where that empty hole is?? Or is the idea to help it bake from the middle out(like with the rose nail in the middle)? Or both?? I would like to try these techniques and is it usually used on  larger cakes?? TIA!!

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: 2" cake layers
     Date: Thu Jan 22 21:58:46 1998
     Message:
     Hello!
     Sounds to me like your pans are not filled enough. Fill at least 1/2 to 2/3 full. One box of mix will not make two 2"   high 8" round layers...I always make double batches and fill my pans as I suggested. I use the baking strips, I also   turn my oven down somewhat...some people turn the temp. down 25 degrees. Another item that produces nearly   level results is a baking stone (available thru 'Pampered Chef'and gourmet kitchen shops). The stone helps to   evenly distribute the oven heat...coupled with the baking strips, I get white cakes that come out barely brown and   incredibly moist!
     I add a box of instant pudding and an extra egg to my mixes.
     I use Pillsbury Plus white cake mix, which often needs 1/4 cup of flour added to it. Keep at it, and good luck!    Jackie

Author: Janet
     Subject: Baking Stone?
     Date: Fri Jan 23 22:39:11 1998
     Message:
     Can you tell me more about this baking stone and how it's used? Thanks.

Author: Val
     Subject: baking stone
     Date: Sat Jan 24 10:15:30 1998
     Message:
     I didn't sumbit the original article on the baking stones,but I will tell you about them. They are bakeware,such as   cookie sheets,cake pans pizza pans,etc. made of a clay material that you bake with.They are wonderful as they   bake more evenly . I have 3 of them. The idea of using them for cakes is (I think) to put one under your cake pan   & the cake will rise more evenly. Never use soap with these as it will absorb the taste. The nice thing about them   is you just scrape off the food under running water rinse dry and store in you oven. Also they need to be   "seasoned" like cast iron does, With oil, the first time or 2 you use it. Then you don't need to grease it each time. I   use mine for everything-potatoes, chicken,cakes,cookies.Cookies made on a baking stone cannot be compared  to a regular cookie sheet--thay are moister & rise nicer.I have made an attempt to explain,if I have not made  anything clear,write back.

Author: Jackie N.
     Subject: baking stone!
     Date: Sat Jan 24 22:39:11 1998
     Message:
     You did a good job of describing the baking stone, Val...I love mine! I just want to make sure that everyone     understands that the stone (I use the 9x13's) should be place on the rack BELOW your cake pans-don't put cake   pans directly on top of them! Also, with the stone in place, you may notice that cakes take a bit longer to   bake-even up to 15 minutes more, depending on the flavor!     Try 'em!     Jackie 



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